Pakistan's New F-16s Can Beat India's Su-30s; Rafales Are The Counter

[ito]

Seem more of a pressure tactic by IAF to force Indian government to go for more number of Rafale.

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

Now indian will say its a tactic to get funds

 

[RazorMC]

Dogfighting is something that the F-16 excels at and offers a sturdy multi-role platform.

But the Su-30MKI is a dedicated air-superiority fighter with overall air-air capabilities far better than any multi-role could offer. The author could have kept this point in mind and be more objective instead of: "India has to deploy two Su-30s if the enemy fleet is to be beaten."

 

[Not So Good]

Dont think 60 or so F-16s can be that much of a problem for the 230-250+ Su-30s + upgraded Mirage 2000s.

Most probably something to do with getting more funds for further jets or speed up the process.

Indian airforce must not underestimate the F16 specially the newer blocks.
They are deadly and are currently best fighter jets in single engine category.
F16 really have certain advantage over its rivals like superior seekers of newer aamrams
Snipers pod superior accuracy and longer range

 

[[Bregs]]

There is not no denying the fact that F 16 have been one of the most successful and largely used fighter in modern world and IAF has not missed this point

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Dont think 60 or so F-16s can be that much of a problem for the 230-250+ Su-30s + upgraded Mirage 2000s.

Most probably something to do with getting more funds for further jets or speed up the process.

It's a tactic frequently used by our forces. Notice how no one talks about the Pak Fa. That should be enough for any F 16 threats.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Total LoL at this.Nice lobbying.

Su-30MKI has in WVR combat -

1.Thrust Vector Control(TVC)

2.IRST(infra red search and track sensor)

3.Most important High off-boresight WVR sam mated with Helmet mounted sight in R-73M aam.
However PAF f-16s lack high off-boresight WVR AAM like the AIM-9X or r-73/74,python-5,IRIS-T.

The argument that MKI has poor EW is laughable as it has one of the best jammers in the world in the israeli ELTA EL/M-8222 which the israelis use in their f-15s and serves with several air forces.

MKI has currently 2 weaknesses -
1.Lack of Missile warning reciever which f-16s have i think
2.Large RCS.f-16s AIM-120C BVR which is better than RVV-AE BVR.

Both of the above differences are relevant in BVR combat rather than dogfights so official is ill-informed or deliberately spreading misinformation.

 

[Bossman]

Indian bubble burst by the Indians themselves. Seems it's the story of their life like the bragging after the exercise with USAF and more recent one with RAF with false claims of a clean sweep and than the subsequent public humiliation.

Very useful article for the PAF. It now helps them with the justification to exercise the option for the remaining 18 Block 52s plus a squadron of A/Bs. There has been some opposition to additional F16 due to our unstable relationship with the U.S.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

so why USA needs f-15,22, 35 if block52 can give air superiority ..................................................................

So why Russia going for
PAK FA T-50 when su 30 mki help them alot

so why USA needs f-15,22, 35 if block52 can give air superiority ..................................................................

that is not the case this is a race to get to the top and have superiority and nothing is final betterment chances are always there

 

[Bossman]

so why USA needs f-15,22, 35 if block52 can give air superiority ..................................................................

Stupid logic, think before you write. Why the PAK FA if the SU 30 is the best.

 

[Windjammer]

Since India is preparing,( others claim it's capable of) two front war, and if it's indeed for lobbying, then why just hype the F-16 threat, why not the Chinese, J-10...J-11... J-20 or others. ??? Also a very realistic scenario.
Or maybe the Indian planners are just being realistic.

 

[Not So Good]

Indian bubble burst by the Indians themselves. Seems it's the story of their life like the bragging after the exercise with USAF and more recent one with RAF with false claims of a clean sweep and than the subsequent public humiliation.

Very useful article for the PAF. It now helps them with the justification to exercise the option for the remaining 18 Block 52s plus a squadron of A/Bs. There has been some opposition to additional F16 due to our unstable relationship with the U.S.

Really

Since India is preparing,( others claim it's capable of) two front war, and if it's indeed for lobbying, then why just hype the F-16 threat, why not the Chinese, J-10...J-11... J-20 or others. ??? Also a very realistic scenario.
Or maybe the Indian planners are just being realistic.

You didn't get the logic Do you?

 

[Super Falcon]

Indian defence ministry and IAF nuts
It is pakistan who has to worry first of all they did not mentioned PAK FA jet which india getting

PAF F 16 blok 52. Total 36
PAF F 16 Total 72
PAF JF 17 thunder planned Total 150

IAF SU 30MKI Total 250 and 100 more ordered
IAF Mirage 2009 Total 52
IAF Rafale 36 ordered 60 more planned
IAF Pak fa planned 100+

PAF has only two platform which it can choose from with single engine limitations and very low in numbers and in quality compared to IAF in 2020 PAF will loose edge both in numbers and in quality which it enjoyed since 80s era

IAF with more sophisticated fighter jet will impose air dominance in air

And SU 30MKI is equslly matched to F 16 and with more numbers of SU 30 RATIO is 3 to 1 will give 100 percent edge to SU 30 Over PAF F 16 and we not discuss rafale too


I have mentioned you friends before india might not go for more RAFALE
Indian government is in talks with US govt and lockhead martin corporation to join the F 35 LIGHTINING project and this comes from very reliable source in 2017 you will start hearing officialy from indian govt about F 35 Procurment mark my words

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Indian defence ministry and IAF nuts
It is pakistan who has to worry first of all they did not mentioned PAK FA jet which india getting

PAF F 16 blok 52. Total 36
PAF F 16 Total 72
PAF JF 17 thunder planned Total 150

IAF SU 30MKI Total 250 and 100 more ordered
IAF Mirage 2009 Total 52
IAF Rafale 36 ordered 60 more planned
IAF Pak fa planned 100+

PAF has only two platform which it can choose from with single engine limitations and very low in numbers and in quality compared to IAF in 2020 PAF will loose edge both in numbers and in quality which it enjoyed since 80s era

IAF with more sophisticated fighter jet will impose air dominance in air

And SU 30MKI is equslly matched to F 16 and with more numbers of SU 30 RATIO is 3 to 1 will give 100 percent edge to SU 30 Over PAF F 16 and we not discuss rafale too


I have mentioned you friends before india might not go for more RAFALE
Indian government is in talks with US govt and lockhead martin corporation to join the F 35 LIGHTINING project and this comes from very reliable source in 2017 you will start hearing officialy from indian govt about F 35 Procurment mark my words

well india may get involve in f 35 project but i think at that time you should not consider planned projects and deals as they failing day by day when you get rafale and
PAK FA T-50 then consider them

 

[Windjammer]

You didn't get the logic Do you?

Sometimes, looking into events helps, those unfamiliar may ridicule it while others will draw lessons.


By M. Hussain

The Indian Air Force (IAF) has violated Pakistani airspace and were intercepted by the Pakistan Air Force. The incidence took place on the 13th of December, at midnight. The military establishment in Pakistan is considering this to be a serious violation and PAF air bases are on full alert.

2 Indian Su-30 MkI ingressed in the Lahore sector, Pakistan's second most important city after Karachi. 3 Indian Mirage 2000H ingressed in the Kashmir sector. The Su-30 Mki "FLANKER" were intercepted by 3 F-16s and 3 F-7 combat aircraft from the Pakistan Air Force, while the Mirage 2000Hs were intercepted by 2 F-16s and 2 Mirages The intercepts were made within 4 miles of entering Pakistani territory, and the intruders were escorted out of Pakistani airspace. According to the PAF, the Indian aircraft were fully armed.

The Indians are in violation of agreements to not send combat aircraft within 10 km of their own boundaries. The simultaneous nature of the intrusion, in the middle of the night, being fully armed clearly indicates it was no mistake, and is replicative of Israeli tactics with Syria.

The Indian Air Force may use this opportunity to gather EW and radar signatures as well as measure the intercept response time and location. They may seek out information on new assets added by the Pakistani side, such as the TPS-77 radars. Both the Su-30 Mk I and the Mirage-2000Hs are equiped with EW equipment that could be used for such a purpose.


The Information Minister, Sherry Rehman, claimed that it was a mistake from the Indian side, which directly contradicts the PAF, and one may add, logic. In a joint press conference with the British PM, Zardari echoed this response and said Indian violation was a technical fault of IAF. While PAF denies that it was fault.

Grande Strategy (Edited)

UPDATE | Dec 14, 2008, AM: TROOPS ON THE MOVE?

A number of people travelling between Lahore and Rawalpindi over the past two days have reported that a heavy redeployment by the army was under way.

“Long convoys of military trucks are heading towards Lahore from Jehlum,” Jawad Khan, a motorist, told Dawn.

UPDATE | Dec 14, 2008, PM: Aircraft Descriptions:

Lahore: 2x Indian Air Force Su-30 (armed) – intercepted and escorted out by 3x Pakistan Air Force F-16s and 3x F-7s
Muzaffarabad: 3x Indian Air Force Mirage 2000 (armed) – intercepted and escorted out by 2x Pakistan Air Force F-16s and 2x F-7s.

UPDATE | Dec 14, 2008, PM: Emergency declared at Shorkot, Sarghoda airbases

SARGHODA: Emergency has been declared at Shorkot and Sarghoda airbases on Sunday after India violated Pakistan air spaces twice on Saturday by sending its fire jets.

According to sources, Indian Air Force sent its fighter jets into Pakistan air spaces on Saturday in Lahore and Kashmir areas which were forced to go back by Pakistani fighter jets.

UPDATE | Dec 14, 2008, PM: Army Confirms Artillery Movement