Pakistan's navy interested in Chinese submarines and advance naval ships

[TaimiKhan]

Is your suggestion or advice has anything to do with thread? Individual to whom you have quoted certainly made a valid point of highlighting purchasing power of Pak who is looking to counter Indian Naval threat through expensive submarines.

I don't understand one thing that why Indian members are so much after the Purchasing power of Pakistan, when it comes to defense.

As i said, if it comes to our defense, we have lot of room available to divert funds from other sectors for purchasing weapons.

When it came to defense, countries changed their whole manufacturing process towards defense. Do read about how US changed their manufacturing capacity towards military equipment in a very short span during WW2.

So, if it comes to Pakistan's defense, we can divert funds from other areas and buy weapons. We don't need a 1:1 compatibility with India.

Indian ambitions are for domination and offensive in nature, while we have defensive one.

So whatever our GDP is, whatever our budget is, we will get funds one way or another and make a proper defensive posture.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

Pakistan should aquire type 214 ..!

 

[sonicboom]

Off topic but for information

World Top Ten Countries With Most Submarines

Country --------- Submarines
USA ------------------ 73
China ----------------- 63
Russia ---------------- 56
North Korea ----------- 26
South Korea ---------- 26
India ----------------- 16
Japan ---------------- 16
United Kingdom-------- 16
Germany -------------- 14
Turkey --------------- 13

World Top Ten Countries With Most Submarines

 

[Tomahawk]

Is your suggestion or advice has anything to do with thread? Individual to whom you have quoted certainly made a valid point of highlighting purchasing power of Pak who is looking to counter Indian Naval threat through expensive submarines.

The requirement of PN for next generations of submarines has been there for quite some time. Especially after the retirement of four Daphne Class Submarines, the no. of submarines in PN's arsenal has fallen to 5; which is ofcourse less than the PN's requirement. So one way or the other, PN needs more submarines thats for sure; to maintain a strategic balance in the region.

 

[Thomas]

Hi,

Pak needs to stay away from chinese subs---german or french that is the only option---surface ships we can deal with---but submersibles are in a totally different league.

Chinese subs are probably quite a bit cheaper to buy.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

Chinese subs are probably quite a bit cheaper to buy.

But they are not up to that mark on which the German or US subs are ...!

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

According to you buying 12 subs and that too 3 merlin and 3 u214 subs will cost you approx 4-5 billion$ and 6 more chinese subs .........
who will pay for these

We have enough funds we have no shortage , also we can just ask for loan from China as well as they have solid commerce with us -

3 Agosta
3 Merlin (State of art)
3 U214
6 Chinese
6 Midget Subs
-----------------------------------------
This is the mimimum need for Pakistan

15 Frigates (we just got 4 frigates , and we are negotiating 4 frigates from China)
(Negotiating 4 corvetes from Turkey)
2 Destroyers
1 Carrier


Country --------- Submarines
USA ------------------ 73
China ----------------- 63
Russia ---------------- 56
North Korea ----------- 26
South Korea ---------- 26
Pakistan -------------- 21 (This is how it should look like 2015)
India ----------------- 16
Japan ---------------- 16
United Kingdom-------- 16
Germany -------------- 14
Turkey --------------- 13

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

We already make indigenous midget subs.

 

[applesauce]

But they are not up to that mark on which the German or US subs are ...!

this i agree with, china is trying, very hard indeed but not yet there

 

[unicorn148]

We have enough funds we have no shortage , also we can just ask for loan from China as well as they have solid commerce with us -

3 Agosta
3 Merlin (State of art)
3 U214
6 Chinese
6 Midget Subs
-----------------------------------------
This is the mimimum need for Pakistan

15 Frigates (we just got 4 frigates , and we are negotiating 4 frigates from China)
(Negotiating 4 corvetes from Turkey)
2 Destroyers
1 Carrier


Country --------- Submarines
USA ------------------ 73
China ----------------- 63
Russia ---------------- 56
North Korea ----------- 26
South Korea ---------- 26
Pakistan -------------- 21 (This is how it should look like 2015)
India ----------------- 16
Japan ---------------- 16
United Kingdom-------- 16
Germany -------------- 14
Turkey --------------- 13

21 subs don't dream too much presently Pakistan has 5 subs that means it has to buy16 more subs ie approx 10 -12 billion $
and you cant make so many subs in 5 years even if you sign a deal for Type 214 you will get the sub after 64 months i.e first sub 2016
second in2017 and next in 2018
and never even think that you will get a carrier because a carrier will cost a min of 3-4 billion $(along with aircraft) and that is greater than the navy's budget

 

[LCA Tejas]

We have enough funds we have no shortage , also we can just ask for loan from China as well as they have solid commerce with us -

3 Agosta
3 Merlin (State of art)
3 U214
6 Chinese
6 Midget Subs
-----------------------------------------
This is the mimimum need for Pakistan

15 Frigates (we just got 4 frigates , and we are negotiating 4 frigates from China)
(Negotiating 4 corvetes from Turkey)
2 Destroyers
1 Carrier


Country --------- Submarines
USA ------------------ 73
China ----------------- 63
Russia ---------------- 56
North Korea ----------- 26
South Korea ---------- 26
Pakistan -------------- 21 (This is how it should look like 2015)
India ----------------- 16
Japan ---------------- 16
United Kingdom-------- 16
Germany -------------- 14
Turkey --------------- 13

You gonna stop time for every other country and Pakistan goes ahead, come on, India has many more subs to come, Including its 5 ATV project, Scorpene Subs, Akula class subs... many many more buddy, now stop dreaming, contribute something useful

 

[LCA Tejas]

Indian navy subs In Service

1.INS Sindhughosh (S55)
2.INS Sindhurakshak
3.INS Sindhudhvaj (S56)
4.INS Sindhuraj (S57)
5.INS Sindhuvir (S58)
6.INS Sindhuratna (S59)
7.INS Sindhukesari (S60)
8.INS Sindhukirti (S61)
9.INS Sindhuvijay (S62)
10.INS Sindhurakshak (S63)
11.INS Sindhushastra (S65)
12.INS Shishumar (S44)
13.INS Shankush (S45)
14.INS Shalki (S46)
15.INS Shankul (S47)
16.Foxtrot (Kalvari Class)
17.INS Vela (S40)
18.INS Vagli (S42)

Future Subs

INS Chakra
INS Arihant
ATV2
ATV3
ATV4
ATV5
6 Scorpene class subs under construction in Mazagon Dock
SSN project by India after The Arihant project.

 

[Sanchez]

Even if Pakistan is interested in China's conventional subs China may not be able to satisfy the request with subs other than 039 Song. PLA is pushing tech development using Yuan as a platform. So far five are produced but none of them is the same as the other.

One of the options might be custom design of one or two SSGNs for PN to lease.

 

[Super Falcon]

well 80 percent of indian sub name starts from S alphabet anyway i think pakistan i need atleast 4 destroyers 3 corvetes 2 frigates and 4 more subs along side with U 214 4 too and perry class frigates 5 which we will get in 2010 but it will not happen beocz of finance probleum but pn can cut down the numbers 2 destroyers and 2 more frigates from europe and 3 suba more alongside U 214