Pakistan's financial capital Karachi turned 'into rubbish bin'

[RescueRanger]

Hamain to Shaitain bhi maaf nahi karega, Allah ke bat choro.

Ma ke dua

 

[WAJsal]

Ban MQM but not PPP? MQM did more work for Karachi than any other party in the history of Pakistan,

I totally agree. They killed more Karachites than any other party. People still seem to support it, funny. Just because they did some work, some roads here and there doesn't mean a terrorist organization shouldn't be banned. Can't get rid of terrorism till people sympathize with these groups.

Why don't they question themselves ?

It has become a part of our culture. You won't find the same thing in Islamabad or even in Lahore, or GB. People are more to be blamed. Govt obviously plays a part.

 

[Pakistani E]

Racist Sindhi Feudal aren't responsible for everything. Who'll you blame for MQM? which has killed more Urdu speakers than anyone, it has destroyed generations of Karachites. How can you blame anyone when the people haven't the logic to dispose trash properly, all i see is aunties throwing crap out of their windows. I would rather blame trash becoming a part of our culture, an open gutter doesn't bother people in Karachi. It's like a normal thing.
Someone who has lived most of his life in Islamabad i am disappointed in Karachites.
Even in Defence areas where you have Dustbins to dispose off the garbage people don't seem to use it. Who is to blame?
Can blame govts to some extent. Now in GB, more specifically Yasin my village we haven't got any fancy machines to collect trash and everything but i guarantee you will hardly find any trash on the side of the road. We need to start treating Pakistan as our property, we try to keep our homes clean but forget about what happens outside.

MQM was an indirect response to the genuine grievances felt by the people of Karachi. Even I am not an Urdu speaker, but when I listen to stories from family who have lived here all through their lives, even they feel a genuine hatred for PPP and the centre for their treatment of Karachi. Also it wasn't MQM who was talking about pushing people of Karachi in to the Arabian sea during Ayub's era. The capital was moved up north over a shoddy excuse. Now you will say this is all incorrect, you know, so what? This was the perception then.

Killings of Urdu speakers reached it's peak when NS refused to accept the deal signed with the representatives of Karachi and MQM withdrew from the government, with the centre then launching an operation against MQM, and then supporting one armed faction of MQM against another.

And yes, it IS the government's responsibility to look after major cities. MQM are horrible lot, but under Musharraf we had relative peace and progress and an attention towards building infrastructure. The throwing of rubbish is a national, no a universal problem. Why? Because there isn't a proper service of waste management. You just want me to blame MQM? Fine. MQM are the worst party in the world. But what has the centre done after abandoning Karachi ? They said we want a fair distribution of funds that's why we are moving the capital. What a childish conjecture. Why don't we see these funds that were "fairly distributed" amongst cities in Sindh? MQM's fault too?

Also please don't compare GB with Karachi. GB's population is barely 2 million, while Karachi's population is over 25-30 million in a much more densely packed area. Your comparison is laughable. Waste management is the responsibility of local bodies. But people still cannot accept the democratically elected mayor of Karachi who has to spend his tenure in office between jails and streets.

I totally agree. They killed more Karachites than any other party. People still seem to support it, funny. Just because they did some work, some roads here and there doesn't mean a terrorist organization shouldn't be banned. Can't get rid of terrorism till people sympathize with these groups.

I support banning of MQM, right alongside banning of ANP, PPP, PML-N, and ST, JuD etc.

 

[WAJsal]

The capital was moved up north over a shoddy excuse. Now you will say this is all incorrect, you know, so what? This was the perception then.

Moving the capital was a wrong decision agreed.

MQM are the worst party in the world. But what has the centre done after abandoning Karachi ? They said we want a fair distribution of funds that's why we are moving the capital. What a childish conjecture. Why don't we see these funds that were "fairly distributed" amongst cities in Sindh? MQM's fault too?

Abandoning Karachi? we abandoned ourselves we we started supporting terrorist, which we still do. Don't expect anyone to give a crap. Not kidding, this is how rest of the Pakistan feels. And surprisingly every other Urdu speaker would agree that MQM is a terrorist organization. Talking mostly about era before Altaf Hussain was banned. The center will continue to ignore us unfortunately. Need to educate people to stop throwing trash out of their windows, stop throwing pans every where.

Also please don't compare GB with Karachi. GB's population is barely 2 million, while Karachi's population is over 25-30 million in a much more densely packed area. Your comparison is laughable. Waste management is the responsibility of local bodies. But people still cannot accept the democratically elected mayor of Karachi who has to spend his tenure in office between jails and streets.

I am comparing cultures. You won't even see kids throwing Lays rapers on the streets in my village. How hard is it to do the same here in Karachi?
Let me give an example of defence area where i live, we have decent waste management of CBC they pick up trash even morning. But the streets are full of trash, people will throw trash out of their windows. Aren't smart enough to use the dustbins.

 

[Well.wisher]

It's sad .
My city quetta is no different than karachi .
We all people of pakistan are same, careless and irresponsible .

 

[shahbaz baig]

It's sad .
My city quetta is no different than karachi .
We all people of pakistan are same, careless and irresponsible .

both Baluchistan and sindh Govt are like the cancer for Pakistan

Racist Sindhi Feudal aren't responsible for everything. Who'll you blame for MQM? which has killed more Urdu speakers than anyone, it has destroyed generations of Karachites. How can you blame anyone when the people haven't the logic to dispose trash properly, 1)all i see is aunties throwing crap out of their windows. I would rather blame trash becoming a part of our culture, 2) an open gutter doesn't bother people in Karachi. It's like a normal thing.
Someone who has lived most of his life in Islamabad i am disappointed in Karachites.
Even in Defence areas where you have Dustbins to dispose off the garbage people don't seem to use it. Who is to blame?
Can blame govts to some extent. Now in GB, more specifically Yasin my village we haven't got any fancy machines to collect trash and everything but i guarantee you will hardly find any trash on the side of the road. We need to start treating Pakistan as our property, we try to keep our homes clean but forget about what happens outside.

1)Sir kindly tell me how people can throw garbage out of their windows in dumping location ? that location is mentioned in pictures of this thread ?
2) where should karachiits go to register their complain about open gutter?

Rest i do agree but kindly elaborate these two Question of mine.

 

[xyxmt]

I don't really understand people blamming the government. Maybe part of the problem is government's fault,but don't you think it's also people's fault if the streets turn into large open garbage ? Why don't they question themselves ?
I don't live in Pakistan,even less in Karachi,maybe I don't know the reality there,so if someone can shed me some light.

Govt's job to provide garbage collection, people will throw is somewhere cant just keep it inside the house. There used to be a functioning KMC dept but not anymore, they now only exists on papers their employees are now all political appointments who just sit at home and collect pay checks. whenever PPP comes into power we see the same situation. The only Time Karachi is clean when JI had the control of city.

 

[American Pakistani]

Kal bhi bhutto kachra tha ajj bhi bhutto kachra hai!

Jesi awaam wesi Hakumat, don't blame bhutto or sharif or khan.

People have to change theirselves then the govt issues will be solved.

 

[newb3e]

Jesi awaam wesi Hakumat, don't blame bhutto or sharif or khan.

People have to change theirselves then the govt issues will be solved.

As long as people are treated like dogs and not get their share in economy and see bastards looting from them nothing will change! The day one zardari hanged everyone will change!

As for garbage issue i agree people need to become responsible.

 

[American Pakistani]

As long as people are treated like dogs and not get their share in economy and see bastards looting from them nothing will change! The day one zardari hanged everyone will change!

As for garbage issue i agree people need to become responsible.

It's very easy to put all blames on govt. Is this garbage from govt? People evading taxes is from govt? People breaking traffic laws is due to govt? Jesi awaam wesay hukmuran...simple as that.

 

[newb3e]

It's very easy to put all blames on govt. Is this garbage from govt? People evading taxes is from govt? People breaking traffic laws is due to govt? Jesi awaam wesay hukmuran...simple as that.

Sir why would anyone want to pay tax when 1 paisa of it wont be spent on Pakistan but will go straight to politicians bank acs?

Why would anyone bother waiting for signal when some kutta politician or some police walla is breaking it all the time?

Do our beloved generals wait for light to turn green or our saint judges or our angelic politicians or their bastards wait for light to turn green? Ohh they treat common man like their bandis!

Yes jessi awaam wesay hukmaran lakin awaam toh bolti hai insaaf karo! Ho raha hai insaaf?

 

[shahbaz baig]

It's very easy to put all blames on govt. Is this garbage from govt? People evading taxes is from govt? People breaking traffic laws is due to govt? Jesi awaam wesay hukmuran...simple as that.

Sir G people of karachi dont vote PPP, but PPP has a majority of sindh, karachiits have only one sin that karachi belong to sindh. so your claim "Jesi Awaam wesay hukamran" is wrong.

there are already a water and sewerage bill, sanitation bill for karachi but in return they get nothing, this is because of Sindh corrupt Govt PPP, Zardari

 

[S.Y.A]

people will throw trash out of their windows.

Really? so people residing in DHA throw garbage out of the windows which lands in the garages and gardens of their own homes?

also, please do tell us how to dispose of garbage when there is no garbage collection, and when there are no dumps?

when the people haven't the logic to dispose trash properly,

an open gutter doesn't bother people in Karachi.

Please educate us, how should we dispose of the trash "properly"?
Also, how can we fix open and overflowing gutters?

But even then it would still be a dump, you can't polish a turd. I have lived in Karachi for a while. Average Karachites have no civic pride

Looks more like racism talking than anything useful.
It wasnt a dump 8 years ago when PPP took control of Sindh.
And if it is a turd than why are truck and busloads of Seraikis, Sindhis and Pashtoons moving to Karachi daily?
It has been turned into a dump because these very same people moving in KArachi chose to form slums and illegal squatter settlements, and then go on to partcipate in electricity, land and water theft. And when they dont find any "rozgar" they turn to crime.

Just because they did some work, some roads here and there doesn't mean a terrorist organization shouldn't be banned.

ANP was involved in Pashtunistan movement, I dont recall any operation against ANP, remember Al-zulfiqar? I dont recall any operation against PPP.

I also dont recall any operation taking place against the perpetrators of Qasba colony massacre in the '80s, or Liaquatabad massacre caused by Ayub Khan's son in '60s. Maybe if those terrorists ahd been punished and brought to justice MQM would have never came into being, even if it did, it would not have resorted to violence.
But, many here tend to overlook the cause of creation of MQM or its violence.

 

[RescueRanger]

Looks more like racism talking than anything useful.
It wasnt a dump 8 years ago when PPP took control of Sindh.
And if it is a turd than why are truck and busloads of Seraikis, Sindhis and Pashtoons moving to Karachi daily?
It has been turned into a dump because these very same people moving in KArachi chose to form slums and illegal squatter settlements, and then go on to partcipate in electricity, land and water theft. And when they dont find any "rozgar" they turn to crime.

I was in working in Karachi as early as 06 it was filthy then and it is worse now. I don't it's racism but merely stating fact, like it is a known fact that some elements of the Pashtoon community in Karachi engage in K&R but then also the same is true that empress market, haulage and transport practically runs on the back of the Pashtoon Community.

As for Sindhi's moving to Karachi, last time I checked Karachi is in Sindh, they are within their rights to move to the city with all the revenue, that is like Lahori's complaining that everyone from Punjab flocks to Lahore for jobs and makes a mess.

My first cousin runs a haulage firm based out of Karachi and he tells me, no Sindhi driver wants to take jobs for long haul transport runs, it's all the people from Swabi, Mardan, Peshawar, Mianwali and Tarnol. Without haulage your industry, commerce, everything comes to a standstill.

Now lets come to the issue of crime, ask yourself why was Ahmed Chinoy made to resign and replaced with Zubair Habib in the CPLC, why is it that a "PARTY" man was the head of the CPLC for so long and no one said a word? Was it because he was playing the position of gatekeeper until he got too close to the government and out of control of the "PARTY"?

Read:
https://www.dawn.com/news/1210509
https://www.dawn.com/news/1160043
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/karachi.htm

I completely agree with you that elements of those from outside Karachi are engaged in low-end and high-end crime, your biggest problem is the "PARTY", coupled with the divisive politics of PPP who along with the "PARTY" are playing into the hands of the agitators.

Ask yourself why is it that places like Banaris bridge, Katti Pahari, golimar were no-go areas until Rangers Operation? Read:
https://tribune.com.pk/story/357438...illed-in-shootout-between-groups-12-arrested/

It's not just "outsiders", also you cannot blame poor city planning and urban waste management on outsiders alone. I agree with you that a city the size of Karachi was never designed to support the population that it presently has, but waste management has always been an issue with Karachi.

I remember Clifton as a child in the 80's, it was clean back then. But even as early as the late 90's parts of Karachi where working class impoverished communities lived such as the area surrounding Gora Kabristan, looked messy and forget about the situation of Essa Nagri which now is just a slum!

Before you complain about racism, ask these questions as a Karachite.

 

[S.Y.A]

As for Sindhi's moving to Karachi, last time I checked Karachi is in Sindh, they are within their rights to move to the city with all the revenue, that is like Lahori's complaining that everyone from Punjab flocks to Lahore for jobs and makes a mess.

My first cousin runs a haulage firm based out of Karachi and he tells me, no Sindhi driver wants to take jobs for long haul transport runs, it's all the people from Swabi, Mardan, Peshawar, Mianwali and Tarnol. Without haulage your industry, commerce, everything comes to a standstill.

move to Karachi, by all means do so, but dont engage in land grabbing, water and electricity theft and claim it a right. most of the people who move here dont buy or rent legal property, they prefer slums, or jsut claim any empty land as theirs, how is that justified? the land running alongside gujjar nala is covered with illegal settlements, the hill range(containing the kati-pahari) is filled with slums, and people living there proudly engage in drug peddling and smuggling as well as electricity and water theft.

orget about the situation of Essa Nagri which now is just a slum!

was a slum back then too, and guess what happened to the land of old sabzi mand? take a guess.