Pakistan's Airborne Early Warning and Control Aircrafts

[unicorn148]

pakisthan has ordered 4 saab Erieye airborne early warning (AEW) aircraft from Sweden out of which one is for training purpose remaining three will be for airforce use and 4 kj200 from china which will be delivered by 2012

 

[TaimiKhan]

pakisthan has ordered 4 saab Erieye airborne early warning (AEW) aircraft from Sweden out of which one is for training purpose remaining three will be for airforce use and 4 kj200 from china which will be delivered by 2012

5 Saab 2000 aircraft ordered, in which 4 would be equipped with Erieye AEW&C radar, one Saab 2000 aircraft already in PAF and training of pilots is being carried out. As for training of the radar personnel and the console operators that would be done on a ground based training facility simulating an actual cabin of Saab 2000 equipped with the radar.

Plus Chinese AEW&C would be 4 also, making 8 in total AEW&C aircrafts with PAF.

 

[Taha Samad]

ok a good thing for PAF indeed..

but can someone of you shed some light on how PAF will go about protecting these assets in air in a war time scenerio? i mean will there be some dedicated squardon that will be stationed along with the aew&c's .

another question are aew's escoeted over friendly airspace in a wartime scenerio or these aircrafts operate on their own at a safe distance from the border(i think 150-200km shall be enough in pakistan's case)

how will PAF use these platforms i mean in which areas? i think PAF would operate them in sargodha and mianwali area.what your opinion on that.

regards,
taha

 

[TaimiKhan]

ok a good thing for PAF indeed..

but can someone of you shed some light on how PAF will go about protecting these assets in air in a war time scenerio? i mean will there be some dedicated squardon that will be stationed along with the aew&c's .

another question are aew's escoeted over friendly airspace in a wartime scenerio or these aircrafts operate on their own at a safe distance from the border(i think 150-200km shall be enough in pakistan's case)

how will PAF use these platforms i mean in which areas? i think PAF would operate them in sargodha and mianwali area.what your opinion on that.

regards,
taha

Yes definitely they would be protected by air escorts during wartime, may be dedicated squadrons won't be needed, rather roles would be assigned to some of the aircrafts in a sqd from different airbases as the endurance of the Saab 2000 is more then the endurance of the fighter aircrafts in out service, so for continuous protection aircrafts would be changed too. For the time being one sqd of AEW&C would be stationed at Kamra and 2nd most probably in Jacobabad, with the new F-16s as from these both locations majority of the Pakistani territory can be looked after having the major installations covered and can also peek inside the indian territory giving ample warning to PAF for incoming fighters. If we get our hands on S-300/HQ-9 kind of SAM with atleast 150KM engagement range, it will be a great help in boosting the protection of the AEW&C assets and with just few batteries, maximum critical areas and boundary with India can be covered giving a very robust and good protection to our installations.

 

[mughaljee]

Yes definitely they would be protected by air escorts during wartime, may be dedicated squadrons won't be needed, rather roles would be assigned to some of the aircrafts in a sqd from different airbases as the endurance of the Saab 2000 is more then the endurance of the fighter aircrafts in out service, so for continuous protection aircrafts would be changed too. For the time being one sqd of AEW&C would be stationed at Kamra and 2nd most probably in Jacobabad, with the new F-16s as from these both locations majority of the Pakistani territory can be looked after having the major installations covered and can also peek inside the indian territory giving ample warning to PAF for incoming fighters. If we get our hands on S-300/HQ-9 kind of SAM with atleast 150KM engagement range, it will be a great help in boosting the protection of the AEW&C assets and with just few batteries, maximum critical areas and boundary with India can be covered giving a very robust and good protection to our installations.

Nice judgment / information.

 

[truepakistani17]

sir the numeric aspect seem to be a real atraction with four SAAB Erieyes and four KJ200 that will come along with some technical experties but sir will these platforms be compatiable with one another. i mean to say that we can claim of haveing 8 AWE&C if they do support one another but if it is the other way we will have two batches of four planes that will need to be operated seprately.
what do you guys think of it?

thanks

 

[TaimiKhan]

sir the numeric aspect seem to be a real atraction with four SAAB Erieyes and four KJ200 that will come along with some technical experties but sir will these platforms be compatiable with one another. i mean to say that we can claim of haveing 8 AWE&C if they do support one another but if it is the other way we will have two batches of four planes that will need to be operated seprately.
what do you guys think of it?

thanks

PAF would definitely be looking into it and must have taken steps to rectify this problem as it can't have two separate systems with no inter communication or aircrafts who can't communicate with one system while it can with other. Just for example while talking to someone on the same issue, i found out that JF17 has western communication system and with it a datalink, so it its western then it means it can communicate with the western AEW&C platforms too. And if the Chinese AEW&C comes with a western compatible datalink system or for PAF a western communication system is installed, then hopefully it would also be compatible to all the aircrafts in service.

Time will tell what the real picture would be, at this time we all can speculate. But PAF would not be sleeping and ignoring the fact.

 

[Barrett]

PAF would definitely be looking into it and must have taken steps to rectify this problem as it can't have two separate systems with no inter communication or aircrafts who can't communicate with one system while it can with other. Just for example while talking to someone on the same issue, i found out that JF17 has western communication system and with it a datalink, so it its western then it means it can communicate with the western AEW&C platforms too. And if the Chinese AEW&C comes with a western compatible datalink system or for PAF a western communication system is installed, then hopefully it would also be compatible to all the aircrafts in service.

Time will tell what the real picture would be, at this time we all can speculate. But PAF would not be sleeping and ignoring the fact.

I don't know how much of this is true but what i've heard is that the chinese AEW&C will be used for the chinese planes(JF-17,FC-20) and the Saab2000 for the western planes (F-16's).

 

[TaimiKhan]

I don't know how much of this is true but what i've heard is that the chinese AEW&C will be used for the chinese planes(JF-17,FC-20) and the Saab2000 for the western planes (F-16's).

Kindly check the UHF/HF antenna below the nose on the JF-17 and if possible compare it to the antenna on C-130 which Pakistan recently got in service. Then compare the JF-17 UHF/HF antenna to the antenna placed on the Chinese PT-06 of FC-1/JF-17 and compare it also with the ones placed on Chinese J-10, hopefully you would get the difference and similarities.

 

[Patriot]

AFAIK Link-16 is installed in JF-17.There is no reason why JF-17 should NOT be able to communicate with Eriye provided it does have Link-16 installed.

 

[jamalahmedkhan17]

A very significant step towards the network strategic warfare.

 

[wangrong]

Kindly check the UHF/HF antenna below the nose on the JF-17 and if possible compare it to the antenna on C-130 which Pakistan recently got in service. Then compare the JF-17 UHF/HF antenna to the antenna placed on the Chinese PT-06 of FC-1/JF-17 and compare it also with the ones placed on Chinese J-10, hopefully you would get the difference and similarities.

JF-17's UHF/VHF Data chain antenna

 

[TaimiKhan]

JF-17's UHF/VHF Data chain antenna

Thx, and comparing it to the Pt-06 antenna and also earlier Pt-04 antenna, clearly shows different antennas. Pt-06 would be Chinese origin as looks similar to the ones on J-10.

PT-06


PT-04

 

[wangrong]

In fact,PLAAF want to order JF-17.Now the problem is "price".Because PLAAF

have not invested 1 cent in JF-17 project

 

[TaimiKhan]

In fact,PLAAF want to order JF-17.Now the problem is "price".Because PLAAF

have not invested 1 cent in JF-17 project

Well on Chinese side, i believe the Manufacturer did invest money, wasn't it a 50-50 project by PAC & the Chengdu Aircraft Manufacturing (something like that).

So in anyway it is a Chinese State owned company, shouldn't be a big problem. It would be a great treat to watch FC-1 in PLAAF formations. Plus if PLAAF did buy it, the export prospects would get a healthy boost.