Pakistan's Airborne Early Warning and Control Aircrafts

[araz]

It is not a duplicity at all. It is up to the manufacturer to decide. Pakistan should start investing in R & D like Swedes or the Americans did. It is our job to fulfill the defence requirements by investing in research.
Why cannot we persuade them to help us?
What are we lagging?

Moreover, if they are not interested than we should find alternatives. The best alternative is to produce goods locally.

It is duplicity if you qoute one reason to one country and then sell to its neighbour in contravention to the same. This relates to the swedish Constitution which was the reason for my comment.
We are fulfilling our defence needs and the thunder is a response to that very same need.
We are lacking everything from basic infrastructure to ethos to finances. I agree with the sentiment behind your post but from the practical point of view, it is unsound. Even Sweden does not possess all the industrial know how that has gone into the gripen and has had to rely on other vendors for it.it is purely an economical choice.
Araz

 

[fatman17]

ASIA PACIFIC
Date Posted: 28-Apr-2010


Jane's Defence Weekly

Pakistan takes delivery of second Erieye AEW&C aircraft

Gareth Jennings Jane's Aviation Desk Editor - London

Pakistan has taken delivery of its second Saab 2000 Erieye airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) aircraft, the company announced on 26 April.

According to Saab, the aircraft will now undergo final tests in Pakistan, which mainly will focus on verifying the Ericsson (now part of Saab) PS-890 Erieye radar system, which is fitted to the aircraft as a dorsal 'plank' antenna.

The Erieye features an electronic-warfare suite that includes electronic support, threat-warning and countermeasures dispensing subsystems, an identification friend-or-foe subsystem, command-and-control (C2) capabilities and a ground-based mission trainer.

The first of four aircraft was handed over to the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) on 8 December 2009 during a formal ceremony at PAF Kamra. The Erieye aircraft will be operated by 3 Squadron based at Chaklala in the northeast of the country.

A delivery schedule for the remaining two aircraft has not yet been announced.

The contract to purchase the Erieye aircraft was first signed in October 2005 but suspended following the earthquake in Pakistan. The contract was finalised in June 2006, with the first aircraft being rolled out from Saab's facility in Linköping, Sweden, on 27 March 2008.

The Erieye will data-link with the PAF's Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcons but not with its Dassault Mirage fleet. In January 2009 Pakistan decided to procure four Chinese-built Shaanxi Y-8 AEW&C aircraft to complement its Erieye order.

Not yet delivered, these aircraft, which are based on the Ukrainian-built Antonov An-12 'Cub', are intended to be compatible with Chinese-built aircraft in the PAF's inventory, such as the PAC/CAC JF-17 Thunder, CAC F-7 and NAMC A-5-III 'Fantan' fighters.


so the question remains.....how will the mirage fleet be data linked?

 

[TaimiKhan]

ASIA PACIFIC
Date Posted: 28-Apr-2010


Jane's Defence Weekly

Pakistan takes delivery of second Erieye AEW&C aircraft

Gareth Jennings Jane's Aviation Desk Editor - London


so the question remains.....how will the mirage fleet be data linked?

Plz read the interview of the Ex-CAS, who said there are for now no plans to data link the mirages to the AEW&Cs.

Thus it seems, the JF-17s, F-16s, FC-20s would be having data links, but not the Mirages as they are gonna be retired as newer platforms get inducted.

 

[Karakoram8 Eagle]

hey all i know is that this SAAB 2000 ERIEYE is going to work it will work inshallah PAKISTAN ZINDABAD

 

[Karakoram8 Eagle]

The Saab 2000 MPA is a highly capable, long-range Maritime Patrol Aircraft.
It provides a dedicated platform for maritime patrol missions.
The Saab 2000 MPA is equally suited to working in close co-operation with the
Saab 2000 ERIEYE AEW&C or on stand-alone patrol missions.
Features:
• High quality 360° maritime surveillance radar
– to be defined
• High quality Electro-Optical Sensor
– to be defined
• Mission System
• Automatic Identification System (AIS)
• Electronic Support Measures (ESM)
• Self Protection System (SPS)
• SATCOM and data link solutions
• Platform commonality with other members of
the Saab 2000 airborne surveillance family.
APPLICATIONS:
• Tasked identification of maritime targets
• Maritime Surveillance and Reconnaissance
(MSAR)
• Maritime border security
• Counter smuggling surveillance
• Search and Rescue (SAR)
• Illegal immigration control
• Fisheries inspection and management
• Oil slick investigation.
GOOD ONE I THINK

 

[blain2]

ASIA PACIFIC
Date Posted: 28-Apr-2010


Jane's Defence Weekly

Pakistan takes delivery of second Erieye AEW&C aircraft

Gareth Jennings Jane's Aviation Desk Editor - London

Pakistan has taken delivery of its second Saab 2000 Erieye airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) aircraft, the company announced on 26 April.

According to Saab, the aircraft will now undergo final tests in Pakistan, which mainly will focus on verifying the Ericsson (now part of Saab) PS-890 Erieye radar system, which is fitted to the aircraft as a dorsal 'plank' antenna.

The Erieye features an electronic-warfare suite that includes electronic support, threat-warning and countermeasures dispensing subsystems, an identification friend-or-foe subsystem, command-and-control (C2) capabilities and a ground-based mission trainer.

The first of four aircraft was handed over to the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) on 8 December 2009 during a formal ceremony at PAF Kamra. The Erieye aircraft will be operated by 3 Squadron based at Chaklala in the northeast of the country.

A delivery schedule for the remaining two aircraft has not yet been announced.

The contract to purchase the Erieye aircraft was first signed in October 2005 but suspended following the earthquake in Pakistan. The contract was finalised in June 2006, with the first aircraft being rolled out from Saab's facility in Linköping, Sweden, on 27 March 2008.

The Erieye will data-link with the PAF's Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcons but not with its Dassault Mirage fleet. In January 2009 Pakistan decided to procure four Chinese-built Shaanxi Y-8 AEW&C aircraft to complement its Erieye order.

Not yet delivered, these aircraft, which are based on the Ukrainian-built Antonov An-12 'Cub', are intended to be compatible with Chinese-built aircraft in the PAF's inventory, such as the PAC/CAC JF-17 Thunder, CAC F-7 and NAMC A-5-III 'Fantan' fighters.


so the question remains.....how will the mirage fleet be data linked?

Just want to point out that not having data links does not mean the communications cannot happen. The Erieye can still work with Mirages over VHF/UHF bands however they are only as secure as the GCI communication with the Mirages. So Mirages can and will be directed by the Erieyes but via voice comm. instead of data comm. An example of this was the way the IAF MKIs were directed by the E-3 sentry during Red Flag last year.

 

[fatman17]

so 4 erieyes will data-link with 54 F-16s currently (A/B and C/D). in future a further 28 F-16s are expected (via EDA and new C/D) for a total of 82 examples.

by 2014, 150 JF-17s will be data-linked with the chinese awacs along with any surviving F-7PGs.

 

[TaimiKhan]

so 4 erieyes will data-link with 54 F-16s currently (A/B and C/D). in future a further 28 F-16s are expected (via EDA and new C/D) for a total of 82 examples.

by 2014, 150 JF-17s will be data-linked with the chinese awacs along with any surviving F-7PGs.

Sir, JF-17 would be able to have data link capability with the Erieyes or any western platform as per what was told to me.

Plz see the posts link given below for further reading and understanding.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...its-second-saab-erieye-awac-5.html#post819036

http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...its-second-saab-erieye-awac-3.html#post817400

 

[fatman17]

Sir, JF-17 would be able to have data link capability with the Erieyes or any western platform as per what was told to me.

Plz see the posts link given below for further reading and understanding.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...its-second-saab-erieye-awac-5.html#post819036

http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...its-second-saab-erieye-awac-3.html#post817400

if that is true then why buy the chinese awacs? - sounds like over-kill to me!

 

[Patriot]

^To diversify our AWACS fleet.

 

[TaimiKhan]

if that is true then why buy the chinese awacs? - sounds like over-kill to me!

Well am not yet 100% sure, but what I was told, that JF-17s and FC-20s would also be compatible with Chinese platforms as well as Erieyes.

The western avionics & weapon systems work on the western standard MIL-STD-1553, MIL-STD-1760 etc kind of stuff.

So even if its a China made radar or aircraft and it employs the MIL-STD standard for its avionics, radar and weapons management systems, the Chinese stuff can be integrated to communicate with any western platforms, either F-16s, FC-20s & JF-17s.

So if the Chinese AEW&C is built using the MIL-STD standards for its avionics and radar, then it is very possible for it to communicate with JF-17s, FC-20s and even F-16s and also with the Erieyes and GCS and can easily be integrated with our net centric air defence system.

Whatever systems China shows for export, they all are stated to come in western MIL-STD configuration so that they are capable to be integrated with western weapon systems.

Even the ROSE upgraded Mirage have a Chinese MAW/RAR system installed.

 

[AVIAN]

Just want to point out that not having data links does not mean the communications cannot happen. The Erieye can still work with Mirages over VHF/UHF bands however they are only as secure as the GCI communication with the Mirages. So Mirages can and will be directed by the Erieyes but via voice comm. instead of data comm. An example of this was the way the IAF MKIs were directed by the E-3 sentry during Red Flag last year.

Voice Communication can be very riskiest as it is prone to interception and hence advent of Data linking as a safest approch.

 

[Quwa]

if that is true then why buy the chinese awacs? - sounds like over-kill to me!

The Chinese system, ZDK03, is a long-term development project...Erieyes will see through the bulk of work for a while.

 

[Mani2020]

The Chinese system, ZDK03, is a long-term development project...Erieyes will see through the bulk of work for a while.

But the first one is due to deliver in 2011 and the next two in 2012

 

[TOPGUN]

Falcon Da-20 can we have some info on the aircraft? and how often do we use it ? and often do we fly it?