Pakistan will soon get J10

[SBD-3]

If Pakistani pilots practiced against Block 15, then it means the Chinese pilots too practiced against that don't you think? Where else can they get hold of an F-16.

There are restrictions on the usage of platforms in training excercises. While Pakistani Pilots had the liberty to test JFT against F-16, The same liberty would not be available to Chinese pilots since US would not allow its platforms to be used in trainings involving Chinese or Russians. However, they had the liberty to test FC-1 against a broad variety of platforms they operate (not to mention J-20 prototypes and J-10A/B)

 

[Su-11]

That's what the Indians claim, which you don't believe anyway.

JF-17 is for sure superior to J-10 as per PAF pilots. Also by looks alone JF-17 looks a lot cooler and aggressive looking than J-10. J-10 looks like something the cat dragged in, or in this case the Chinese.

 

[SBD-3]

j 10b in Pakistani air force is unlikely simply because even china will be reluctant to sell such fighter which they will be using as their main 4 Gen fighter.Pakistan might get j10a that's wat suits paf more, that's wat discussed in Musharraf era.

u might get j10a before rafale first rafale will come near 2015 ull get j10 but 'a'.

Dear God! how many times!.....
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[Secur]

I undoubtedly doubt..

Why ? What makes you think that the only option left with Pakistan is Chinese aircraft ?

Wont the competitors who lost in the MMRCA be more than willing to sell aircraft to any customer they can find ?

You can put aside the Russian and Americans of course but then there was always the Eurofighter and the Jas 39 Gripen ...

But always with some " spare cash " ofcourse as Mastan mentioned it ...

 

[SBD-3]

That's what the Indians claim, which you don't believe anyway.

JF-17 is for sure superior to J-10 as per PAF pilots. Also by looks alone JF-17 looks a lot cooler and aggressive looking than J-10. J-10 looks like something the cat dragged in, or in this case the Chinese.

superiority and inferiority depends upon your context of discussion. If I am looking at combat performance at high altetude and supersonic speeds, J-10 should outperform JFT. If i am looking at low speed engagements and trans-sonic performance JFT's design is more favorable. If i am looking at range, J-10 outperforms. If i am looking at A2G, JF-17's design and weaponary would be more relevent. This debate of superiority and inferiority is relative, not absolute.

 

[Su-11]

So JF-17 outperforms J-10 in slow speeds? Cool physics!
So basically JF-17 outperforms J-10 in most of the parameters for its price. PAF pilots were right afterall.

 

[Pakistanisage]

That is a monumental news as Pakistan needs more high end Fighters besides F16 Blk 52.

 

[Haseebullah]

I thought that was quite obvious even before.

 

[SBD-3]

So JF-17 outperforms J-10 in slow speeds? Cool physics!
So basically JF-17 outperforms J-10 in most of the parameters for its price. PAF pilots were right afterall.

Again you're sticking to the same thing (Like the last time about StrategyPage). Each platform has its limitations and advantages. It's the combination that synergises the overall affectiveness. Just consider a JFT doing CAS and J-10 Flying CAP over it. Both in their relative strenghts, maximum efficiency achieved.

 

[SQ8]

The J10B may be a good a/c but it in no way is comparable to EFT or Rafale. It just isn't possible at this stage for the Chinese industries to have the same sort of design and production capabitles as established companies especially one like Dassualt that is making the most advanced tech in thei world. The J10 may be able to compete in some flight aspects like sustained turn and the like but in avionics (where modern combat is one and lost these days) there is just no comparison between the J-10 and the Euro-canards apart from some cosmetic similarities which have, no doubt, been ripped off.

+ certainly not the versions that competed in MMRCA ie the EFT T3 and Rafale F3 with AESA, super cruise, HMDS etc

You would be surprised how exponentially Moore's law is applying to the Chinese these days.

 

[Abingdonboy]

What is it in Eurofighter and in Rafale technically that isn't in J-10B?

All have AESA Radar, ECM suite, BVR Capable, same types of Armament on Board , Air Refuelling Probe, IRST, Pods, TVC Control. Canards, almost equal speeds, same # of hard points, same range etc...

If you are talking about avionics that makes the difference, then sorry to disappoint you, JF-17 beats all.

I'm sorry to disappoint but there is very little in the way of the J-10 matching or outclassing the EFT or the Rafale. Yes on paper they may be similar but any expert or educated observer will tell you the J-10 is not in the same league. The sensor fusion and EW suite alone on the Rafale is streaks ahead of any other plane on the market especially any Chinese a/c. Not to mention the weapons suite offered is far suproir to anything the Chinese can wield or PAF buy.

 

[SBD-3]

I'm sorry to disappoint but there is very little in the way of the J-10 matching or outclassing the EFT or the Rafale. Yes on paper they may be similar but any expert or educated observer will tell you the J-10 is not in the same league. The sensor fusion and EW suite alone on the Rafale is streaks ahead of any other plane on the market especially any Chinese a/c. Not to mention the weapons suite offered is far suproir to anything the Chinese can wield or PAF buy.

Are you considering yourself as an "educated observer"?

 

[Abingdonboy]

You would be surprised how exponentially Moore's law is applying to the Chinese these days.

You think everyone else is just standing still? Come one Oscar I would've thought you would be able to debunk the idea the J-10 is able to match the Rafale or EFT. You know your stuff and you can see the futility in these amateurish comments surely?

Are you considering yourself as an "educated observer"?

To an extent-yes. I have done quite a bit of research in this regard and have been to a few lectures and the like.

 

[SBD-3]

You think everyone else is just standing still? Come one Oscar I would've thought you would be able to debunk the idea the J-10 is able to match the Rafale or EFT. You know your stuff and you can see the futility in these amateurish comments surely?



To an extent-yes. I have done quite a bit of research in this regard and have been to a few lectures and the like.

have you even seen the J-10 live?

 

[monitor]

When will this ''soon'' over ?