Rafale, Eurofighter may still more advanced then J-10, but in view of the terrible economic situation in Europe, the further improvement of Rafale and Eurofighter will likely fall behind J-10. Thanks to the project of J-20, China aero industry will soon surpass Europe and catch up with USA...
I respectfully disagree. The J-10B features all of the upgrades noticed on those Rafales and Eurofighters: application of RAM, composites to increase T/W ratio, AESA radar (so far we know the J-10B's radar has 1200 T/R modules while Rafale only has 880 T/R modules), upgraded engines (actually, only the J-10B features this upgrade), sensor fusion to some degree, new IRST, MAWS, etc. Those are technically "fifth generation" upgrades and are used to classify "4.5 generation aircraft". Unlike the Rafale and Eurofighter, the J-10B also features a brand new ECM suite, solid state integrated electronics, and a brand new cockpit. I do not think Europe, after all this stagnation, would put together a machine that outperforms China's current technologies especially considering the fact that the J-10B was used as a smaller test platform for scaled down J-20 technologies.
Regarding your second point, I highly doubt China could catch up to the USA in terms of this field. The United States boasts half a century of experience as well as a very solid network of suppliers. The United States has opened plants in other countries and mostly "brain drains" other countries, just like they did to Canada during the 1950s. China's aviation industry, when it comes to civilians especially, has just taken off the ground and is unlikely to be a good match for the United States' senior aviation industries. Just take a look at how long it took China to perfect the WS-10 engine. Now do that to an airfoil that is in effect all the more sensitive.
J-10B is, a poor man's Rafale
JF-17 is, a poor man's F-16
LOL that's like saying a Rolex is a poor man's Cartier. Or a Toyota is a poor man's Lexus.
mate i think u should nt have posted this link
if u read the entire article it states somewhere that Chinese expert CHANG i quote
now would u beleive it or not
well dont worry !! this is another secret advantage of MMRCA deal
we would utilize those technology used to built rafale in building LCA /PAKFA
CHEERS
Funny how you quote a guy who is the laughingstock of the internet world. He has been proven to be wrong on almost every occasion. Too insecure to post quality sources?
Well, let me do the honors.
That is a picture of the manufacturer of the J-10B AESA, proving that it has 1200 T/R modules compared to the Rafale's reported 880. This was also proven at a recent exhibition where it said that the 607th institute's PESA lost out to the 14th institute's AESA.
Not really, China as you pointed out is testing now AESA radars in fighters with first demo versions, while Rafale and EF did the same years ago, so they have developed this technology way before China was able to do it, that's a fact! They are just putting it in operational service now, which China will also do in some years only, possibly with J10B as the first platform.
Radars for fighters utilize the same exact technology as those seen on AWACS aircraft. China's deployment of the KJ-2000, KJ-200, are examples of its long history and experience. Building those things aren't easy; China has built multiple models and deployed them on multiple platforms, and much earlier as well, which will almost definitely give them an edge when compared to the untested and unused European counterparts. You can't improve something that hasn't been in service.
As I said, China has more money for developments, that's why you have a higher pace to develop new things. But the Europeans are way ahead in terms of know how and experience and not only in the radar field.
And do explain how exactly they are better on the "know how", taking in mind that it is China that is pumping out 5th generation fighters and multiple 4.5 generation fighters, not Europe. Explain how they would gain such experience when they don't even possess the key tools to explore that field, such as supersonic wind tunnels.
