Pakistan today conducted a successful test of Fatah-1 - ISPR

[JamD]

Is it a 2x2 or 3x3 config on the launcher?

Looks 2x2 to me.

 

[KaiserX]

Indians bragging about S400s arriving

S400s are not full proof nor magic bullets. There are many tactics to take them out, they are ineffecient themselves if placed in the wrong location/weather conditions. Russian systems themselves are very very susceptable to jamming. The israelis have been jamming S300s for decades. Newer russian systems are far less jam resistant compared to the older soviet SA-2s which relied on missile seekers once launched.

SAM systems themselves are extremely delicate systems. Especially the russian S400 with so many interlinked components. Simply damaging the radar system, receiver, or any inter dependant system alone can disable a whole S400 battalion. Its as simple as using RPGs or scout helis equipped with machine guns. You dont have to take out every single Truck to disable a S400 battalion.

The turks and chinese are expert jammers. Infact Pakistan itself has a very interesting hacking/jamming tradition ask the talibs who have regularly jammed ANA/NATO radio communications during the recent blitz.

Pakistan has American, Chinese, Turkish, and indiginous jamming systems. Not just that Radar systems emit a large amount of radiation and are very easy to track down using other radars themselves.

That is why Russian SAM operators are known to use the tactics of turning off/on their radar systems when hunting for jets. This would not be a deterence against UAV or missile strikes.

For which Paksitan has many counter measures such as the CH4B, Wing Long 2, Burraq, Babur, Fateh, Shaheen Series, Ghauri, and now is even jointly producing ANKA drones. Id feel bad for any S400 operator within 2000 KM of the indo-pak border

In all honestly not to under estimate or over estimate the enemy. Id be far more worried about the Israeli SAM systems the Indians are procuring. Sure they have a lesser range than the S400s but will be far more deadly and effecient as the Israelis have learned from the faults of russian systems and made improvements to their own systems from lessons learned in combat. Taking that into consideration these systems will be far more Jam-proof as well as less interlinked systems.

 

[Meliodas]

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Chief Guest Commander 4 Corps #Lahore, Lt General Muhammad Abdul Aziz

No offense, he looks passed the age to effectively command a corps, need some fresh blood up the army ranks.

 

[Hyde]

I loved the timing of ISPR when across the border in India our enemy is already wounded with tears of Taliban taking over and they fired missile on top of that. Julay pe namak chirkane wala kaam kiya hai ISPR ne

 

[Titanium100]

Indians bragging about S400s arriving

S400s are not full proof nor magic bullets. There are many tactics to take them out, they are ineffecient themselves if placed in the wrong location/weather conditions. Russian systems themselves are very very susceptable to jamming. The israelis have been jamming S300s for decades. Newer russian systems are far less jam resistant compared to the older soviet SA-2s which relied on missile seekers once launched.

SAM systems themselves are extremely delicate systems. Especially the russian S400 with so many interlinked components. Simply damaging the radar system, receiver, or any inter dependant system alone can disable a whole S400 battalion. Its as simple as using RPGs or scout helis equipped with machine guns. You dont have to take out every single Truck to disable a S400 battalion.

The turks and chinese are expert jammers. Infact Pakistan itself has a very interesting hacking/jamming tradition ask the talibs who have regularly jammed ANA/NATO radio communications during the recent blitz.

Pakistan has American, Chinese, Turkish, and indiginous jamming systems. Not just that Radar systems emit a large amount of radiation and are very easy to track down using other radars themselves.

That is why Russian SAM operators are known to use the tactics of turning off/on their radar systems when hunting for jets. This would not be a deterence against UAV or missile strikes.

For which Paksitan has many counter measures such as the CH4B, Wing Long 2, Burraq, Babur, Fateh, Shaheen Series, Ghauri, and now is even jointly producing ANKA drones. Id feel bad for any S400 operator within 2000 KM of the indo-pak border

In all honestly not to under estimate or over estimate the enemy. Id be far more worried about the Israeli SAM systems the Indians are procuring. Sure they have a lesser range than the S400s but will be far more deadly and effecient as the Israelis have learned from the faults of russian systems and made improvements to their own systems from lessons learned in combat. Taking that into consideration these systems will be far more Jam-proof as well as less interlinked systems.

humans are few decades away from reaching good air defense systems as awhole we all saw what happened to the much overhyped Iron dome this year with our own eyes. Turkey didn't even buy S400 for defensive reasons but it wanted componants in it to use it on it's Hisar family air defense systems and alot people thought this thing must be good yada yada just because Turkey bought it and it got alot of unnecessary hype due the F35 but the reason for that was Turkey wanted componants inside the design but not the actual S400.. Just like S300 pretty much same family and it's performance have never been proven or put to the test... S400 is most certainly not at the level of Iron dome that is breachable at will.. Mankind as awhole just haven't reached there yet or advanced in air defense systems as a whole. We are basically at juvenile level currently in that specific category and may take another 4-5 decades until better solid systems are developed

 

[KaiserX]

Most people forget if things went really sour for Pakistan-Gangedesh then, more than likely this short range, quick launch, scoot and move, capable missiles will be used to rain hell on Indian forward operating air bases.

Many of which are not far at all from the border, and house a lot of helis, transport, logistic centers, and housing for military first responders. These forces would be expected to move forward to the border first in war, taking these out initially buys the Pakistani military more time and gives them the initiative in moving forces closer to the border first.

Whichever army breaks through the International border/LOC will gain the initiative very fast. The Gengis have especially realized this through their cold start doctrine.

 

[Titanium100]

Most people forget if things went really sour for Pakistan-Gangedesh then, more than likely this short range, quick launch, scoot and move, capable missiles will be used to rain hell on Indian forward operating air bases.

Many of which are not far at all from the border, and house a lot of helis, transport, logistic centers, and housing for military first responders. These forces would be expected to move forward to the border first in war, taking these out initially buys the Pakistani military more time and gives them the initiative in moving forces closer to the border first.

Whichever army breaks through the International border/LOC will gain the initiative very fast. The Gengis have especially realized this through their cold start doctrine.

Exactly which is why Pakistan's entire doctrine is offensive based nowadays. Going for the throat is the only solution. incoperating IEA forces to bolster the armed forces could also become handy. These hardy people are a stragetic winning hand. There is just no way in hell the Indians can counter these people in the frontlines. Just imagine well trained, drilled and armed Afghans bolstering the Pakistan armed forces lines. The Indians could import or even clone 30 billion of themselves there is just no way they could contain or compete with them.. They would be overrun and lose the initiative entirely. In this case Pakistan could utilize them greatly and even overrun the entire sub-continent with these war-dogs but you have to yield them in the right way. They are certainly gifted in warfare.. Not all humans are created equal in god's eyes some excell than others in some areas. The afghans don't only offer Pakistan stragetic depth due to a great terrain but they also offer human qualities that can be yielded as a sword

 

[dilpakistani]

Rocket burnout time is 6 seconds

pulse motor

 

[KaiserX]

Exactly which is why Pakistan's entire doctrine is offensive based nowadays. Going for the throat is the only solution. incopperating IEA forces to bolster the armed forces could also become handy. These hardy people are a stragetic winning hand. There is just no way in hell the Indians counter these people in the frontlines. Just imagine well trained, drilled and armed Afghans bolstering the Pakistan armed forces lines. The Indians could import or even clone 30 billion of themselves there is just no way they could contain or compete with them.. They would be overrun and lose the initiative entirely. In this case Pakistan could utilize them greatly and even overrun the entire sub-continent with these war-dogs but you have to yield them in the right way. They are certainly gifted in warfare.. Not all humans are created equal in god's eyes some excell than others in some areas. The afghans don't only offer Pakistan stragetic due to a great terrain but they also offer human qualities that can be yielded as a sword

The IEA forces especially their Badri 313 are entirely the product of the ISI/SSG. Even their anthem is a ripoff of the Pakistani national anthem.

Many experts have stated that these Badri 313 are pretty much SSG operatives/trained operatives. Meaning you have SSG/ISI fighting within the ranks of these units themselves.

They have shown to expert operatives in the night. Usually using advanced night vision goggles to snipe out the enemy while they are sleeping. At the same time they have made use of sophisticated jamming equipment to jam enemy communications while utilizing mobile tactical vehicles to ambush the confused enemy.

Once you capture the enemy unit, you take their equipment and use it against the remaining enemy combat units. Strenghing your own forces while continue to strike. End result being demotivation leading to mass defections within the enemy units and a complete breakdown of any seblance of command/control.

1 huge implication for all this is that it shows how useless air power can become when you have caused confusion and captured the air bases on the ground themselves where exactly are the shiny new jets going to fly from at the end of the day?

Learning from these tactics is pure gold for the SSG/ISI/PMF. Especially when you add in tanks, fighter jets, ucavs, artillery, and missiles into the picture.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Looks 2x2 to me.

Might be like this 2x4

 

[S.Y.A]

ISPR's lackluster attitude is seriously disappointing.

Ispr has gone seriously downhill after Asif Ghafoor. ISPR, as an institution, refuses to prove. It absolutely needs PR and propaganda experts.

 

[KaiserX]

Might be like this 2x4
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Nope. Its a 2x2. The Fateh missile range is 150km... longer than the NASR 2x4 range of 70km thus the Fateh missile is larger so its 2x2. Nasr/Fateh missiles are different from the A100 in the sense that the missiles are larger thus having a larger payload and better guidance.

A100 is more of a area saturation weapon whereby NASR/FATEH will be used as long range sniper missiles striking forward operating & command/control bases. A100s may also be used in this manner as well but are more needed/suited to strike indian artillery positions/infantry/mechanized/armored units.

Pakistan needs a 1x2 400km range missile similar to the Russian Iskander or Turkish Khan.

Tactical Ballistic Missile systems-

2x4 70km Range- Nasr
2x2 150km Range- Fateh
1x2 400km Range- ???

 

[The Accountant]

I know what you did. You just gave heart attack to rats in east and their masters in Washington.

What do u mean, can u explain ?

 

[KaiserX]

You still have your army of approx 1m troops but you bolster the ranks with an additional 1m Afghans the real hardcore once.. You put the Afghans in 1st the front line. You won't even be needed to go inside they will overrun the entire place. If they are well drilled, oiled, and heavily armed they will rollover the sub-continent without breaking a sweat. The war-dogs can be utilized. They are extremely stubborn and steadfast and they mentally sound and solid. They were born and created for such tasks. They themselves are a weapon Pakistan must yield

As of now the goal would be to transform the IEA talib forces into a formidable military machine. They have the training/weapons/moral. Only thing remains is to become a professional united unit with discipline within their ranks.

The IEA military forces should be transformed into a force similar to the IRGC of iran. Maybe something call the Islamic Emirate Guard Corp (IEGC). A trained unit of 100k men equipmed to the teeth with the latest weapons. We do not need 2M men. 200k well equiped soldiers from Pakistan and 100k well equiped men of the IEGC/BADRI 313 can get the job done.

A specialized motivated well equiped operative trained in night fighting is more useful than 20 untrained unmotivated men.

These soldiers would be on the frontline supported by PAF jets/armor/artillery/missiles as well as SSG/ISI/Advisors. They will be the tip of the spear.

 

[Aesterix]

Nope. Its a 2x2. The Fateh missile range is 150km... longer than the NASR 2x4 range of 70km thus the Fateh missile is larger so its 2x2. Nasr/Fateh missiles are different from the A100 in the sense that the missiles are larger thus having a larger payload and better guidance.

A100 is more of a area saturation weapon whereby NASR/FATEH will be used as long range sniper missiles striking forward operating & command/control bases. A100s may also be used in this manner as well but are more needed/suited to strike indian artillery positions/infantry/mechanized/armored units.

Pakistan needs a 1x2 400km range missile similar to the Russian Iskander or Turkish Khan.

Tactical Ballistic Missile systems-

2x4 70km Range- Nasr
2x2 150km Range- Fateh
1x2 400km Range- ???

Not really.
Nasr carries a much heavier warhead than Fateh.
In fact Nasr rocket motor burns a full 4 seconds longer than Fateh.
Nasr = 10 seconds
Fateh = 6 seconds.
Even then Nasr has shorter range.