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hopefully its this
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let the Emiraties test it first and then maybe...If PAF goes for the Global Eye then it will two packages in one and the need for a standalone ATOR wont be needed. It is a big IF PAF chooses this.
it's not... the G600
hopefully its this
I thought it was the UAE, but AFM indicates it to be Pakistan.
Sweden probably extended a fresh loan or the PAF is paying in stages, with the first payment being $134m US.
I am more excited because it shows that SAAB don't have any issues selling us weapons. Because after first 4 there were reports that SAAB may not sell us any more weapons but now it seem they have changed the policy. So I am hoping that Army will consider these also
@MastanKhan's gonna say, "this is the PAF's revenge for the ZDK03----they hate the country--with this money even one F-35 would have been more valuable----"
Not putting money into Upgrading ZDK-03 to KJ-500 standard and going to the same spec Erieye which Pakistan is having instead of going for the Upgraded one with 70 % percent more range indicates
1.) Pakistan is not at all satisfied with Chinese AWAC and ZDK-03 was forced down the throat of PAF. All the unofficial reports of ZDK-03 has a greater range than Erieye was just a hogwash
2) ZDK-03 does not provide the Same ECCM/ESM sensors that Erieye is providing
3). Pakistan doesnot have money to buy upgraded SAAB, hence keeping to the same one that they bought 10 years ago.
Hi,
I am going to up date my comments---.
It is not a revenge per say---but it is the proper way to do it---.
Just like I stated in the past---the best way to get the F16 BLK 52 from the U S was to get the chinese J10's---a 20 of them on a lease would have done the job.
You have to remember---if they produce---they have to sell---. If they are facing objections from their public---you have to GIVE THEM WAYS to overcome that objection.
Before the ZDK's---the swedes stated they won't sell to us anymore---okay. But now with the ZDK's in service---they can tell their public---Pak already has a similar system in place---if we won't do it---someone else will.
So the swedes are not doing anything that would change the balance of power in the region---.
You have to know and feel the temperature and mood of the selling nation and you need to " set them up right " to ask them for the product---so that they cannot refuse you---.
It is the worst thing that you can tell them that the J10 is no good and we love the F16 and cannot live without it---.
I mean to say---what level of stupidity is this---how stupid someone has to be to say that to a seller---I would say beyond dumb dumber dumbest.
You have to sacrifice in some areas to gain in others.
Keep in mind the SRSS/GlobalEye's ISTAR element comes from a ground-facing SAR. Pakistan already deploys ground-facing SAR via the King Air.Theoretically it can. But the problem is PAF or PA has not indicated any interest for airborne ground surveillance platforms. PAF focus for last 10 years is solely on AEWC element.
Sweden is offering GSR element with their latest iteration of AEWC. If PAF is not picking up this element, then we can guess the mood and interest of Pakistan defence forces.
The PAF slotting for 3 Erieye doesn't necessarily mean it will order all three at once - the £120m order could be for one system. In the coming months and years the PAF could issue additional orders. This is what I meant by staging the acquisition.Not sure about that, please see below:
"Saab issued a press release on May 15 announcing that it had signed an AEW&C contract worth SEK 1.35bn (£120m), with deliveries being made from 2017 until 2020. It will not disclose the customer, as is its usual policy, but it is likely this is the same deal."
It talks about the value of the contract, not the initial payment.
1) No, but ZDK is having talking issues with the vipers. The SAAB is talking to everyone because the swedes helped out.
2)possibly, the ZDK has longer coverage but a slower scan.ESM was never its strong suite.
3)baseless. What is upgraded and not upgraded, please advise.
Keep in mind the SRSS/GlobalEye's ISTAR element comes from a ground-facing SAR. Pakistan already deploys ground-facing SAR via the King Air.
The PAF slotting for 3 Erieye doesn't necessarily mean it will order all three at once - the £120m order could be for one system. In the coming months and years the PAF could issue additional orders. This is what I meant by staging the acquisition.
Yep so basically ISTAR for the ground is mostly in the hands of the PA (if we account for EO/IR-equipped Hercs and Falcos), and the PAF is focusing most of its ISTAR on the air.Since it is PAF shopping. Not the PA or not PA sharing the funds per se with PAF on this acquisition. Or AFAIK, there is no PAF-PA policy on such kind of asset sharing where PAF controllers from air can guide PA troops on ground. Hence PAF would not consider spending money on some asset until such Policy, asset sharing and basic C&C is setup.
King Air is sole responsibility of PA. It is PA Signint or Avaition group controllers who are guiding PA troops on ground.