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Pakistan: The Threat Within

this was the most biased peace of reporting ever. first of all, all the explaining has been done by Nic Robertson. This is entirely his prospective on things, thus in essence this is his opinion on things. let me just add some of the stupid comments that this guy made " if they can catch abu farraj al libi why ant they catch osama bin laden" what the hell does this mean abu farraz al libi is not as nearly important as osama bin laden. Then in that same peace he seems to suggest that the police cammando officer was feeling remorse for abu faraj al libi but the amazing thing is that we never see him express remorse. Then he says that most pakistani support osama bin laden with out any opinion polls. Every thing that is done in the west is based on opinion polls but not one single poll was shown in this report. Then one thing that i found really strange is that he forgot to mention that pakistani intelligence also helped in foiling the plot which intended to bring the ten planes down. i see in this report that if all the terrorists are pakistani decent then automatically pakistan is to blame for the terrorist attacks that took place. also about the dude who was so scared for his life that he could not even mention in which country he was living. He said that he spied on al qeada for isi but then the isi did nothing to stop them. why would you want to spy on the very people that you are supposedly training, i mean that is just plane and simple stupid. :coffee:
anyway i will look at this documentry again and try to point out some more stupidity about this documentry.
 
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Its the law of Karma. Pakistani leadership raised and nurtured the 'Jihadi' monster for decades, in the hope of exporting it to India and Afghanistan. Now its coming back to haunt Pakistan. I have said earlier, and i say again, Islamic fundamentalism owes no loyalties to anyone, not Pakistan, not Saudi, not Iran. Thousands of religious schools in Azad Kashmir and NWFP, indoctrinating Pakistani youth to wage Jihad in Kashmir and Afghanistan for 2 decades, what did you think ? We will just export it and be safe ?

Us pagan Hindus have always said, "you reap what you sow". Of course you are free to ignore it.
 
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Us pagan Hindus have always said, "you reap what you sow". Of course you are free to ignore it.

Too bad you don't follow it.

When you sow the seeds of occcupation expect militancy in return.
 
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The root cause of terrorism in Pakistan lies in Afghanistan.
Timming of CNN report and sudden surge in terrorist activities suggest that this programme was controlled by the very same elements who are centrally controlling the terror activities in Pakistan.
All terrorists seems to have a professional source of intelligence and I don't believe that these mullahs are running an organisation equivalent to RAW.

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I beg to disagree with this statement. The root cause of terrorism lies inside Pakistan. Taliban were trained by Pakistan. We are reaping what was sowed by the Zia Ul Haq and his hand picked ISI henchmen such as Hamid Gul. These people are still given undue importance by the media and their views aired again and again.

Not all; but quite a few of the Madrassas produce only Zombies who have an extremely miopic view of the world in general and the believe in ultimate righteousness of their cause; regardless of what thuggery they commit in the name of Islam. Female students of the Jamia Hafsa were claiming that this was a battle between " Haq and Batil" meaning good and evil. Did they realise that original allotment of land to Lal Masjid was only one kanal ( 650 Sq yards) whereas current area the complex occupies is two acres ( 9,000 sq yards) all the exta land has been illegally occupied thru slow but deliberate encroachment, with law enforcement authorites powerless to do any thing because of their powerful friends such as Ijazul Haq.
But this is OK because this is in the name of Islam. What logic!!

Entire society is being held hostage by some extremley biased people. This includes media as well. Reporters and anchormen of both the Geo and ARY were extremely onesided in their coverage. In exactly the same manner that Jewish controlled media in the West shows plight of the parents a single dead girl killed by the Palestinian rocket attack but completely ignores hundered of Palestinian girls who are victims of Israeli Gunships. Pak media was again and again interviewing and repeated showing misery of the relations of the terrorists fighting inside the mosque and thus generating sympathy for these extremists. No one cared to show what happened to family of the Ranger killed by these thugs, which started the affair in the first place.

Media has made a hero of a "goonda' and a traitor; Abdul Rashid Ghazi. Freedom of the press doesnot imply uncontrolled spin on the news. Even respected anchors such as Hamid Mir of Capital Talk and Dr Maqsood of Meray Mutabiq seem to be very reluctant in openly condemning the actions of the Lal masjid mullahs.

As posted by some of the Hon Members earlier, once you decide to take on the Army with 'Guns'. It is "TREASON". All the people left inside the Lal Masjid were there on their own accord. This included women who are defiant even now. You may call me ruthless but when all else fails, the 'Fitna' has to be eliminated because if you let it be, it will engulf the whole nation.

As a nation, we the Pakistanis have become irrational in their thinking. For some, hate of Musharraf is so great that they dont find in their heart to conmdemn the Lal Masjid mob and try to somehow condone their actions. Dislike of a person need not cloud one's judgement and one should applaud correct decsions by even by your worst enemy.

IMO Pakistan is surely one the way to talibanization. Freedom of the media is regretably proving to be a boon for the extremists and media is free to spin the news as they see fit. Look at the case of CJ as an example. People tell me that some channels sush as AAJ TV showed the CJ's procession for 17 hours contniuously!!. Muslim League Q is also full extremist minded people who are reluctant to act against religious thugs. Ijazul Haq must be tried for his part in getting the Ghazi brothers off when guns were found in their vehicle. Law of the land must apply to every one equally. Additionally, there must be an inquiry as why and how so many guns reached inside the masjid in the first place. There must be some elements inside police and ISI who were secretly providing succour to the Ghazi brothers. The danger lies within Pakistan, not without.

I salute BB who finally came out in open and said that there was no other way but to take the action against the Lal Masjid mob. Benazir is also right in not being a part of the Grand Alliance. Only people who will benefit from such a coalition are extremist parties such as MMA or single MNA parties such as Tehreek Insaaf. PPP is already the largest party in Pakistan. they dont need alliance with any one.
 
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As posted by some of the Hon Members earlier, once you decide to take on the Army with 'Guns'. It is "TREASON".

Sir,

Here is where I have a bone of contention with your otherwise very excellent post. Army itself committed TREASON when it overthrew a elected Pakistani Government. It had no right, as per your consititution it is treason. What sort of an example is this, for the civilians to follow?

Anyways, Dictator or not. What Musharraf did was needed and due, Even if he is the enemy or people detest him, they should atleast the educated one's should support him for this sole incident. Good done by your enemy is still good, acceptance of that will make you a greater human being.

I completely agree with your post, Pakistan needs self-introspection more than anything Education.
 
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I beg to disagree with this statement. The root cause of terrorism lies inside Pakistan. Taliban were trained by Pakistan. We are reaping what was sowed by the Zia Ul Haq and his hand picked ISI henchmen such as Hamid Gul. These people are still given undue importance by the media and their views aired again and again.
Respectful Mr. Niaz, There is no disagreement to what you have wrote and If I may dare to say that Zia and his policies are history since long ago but why is it only today his policy is back firing upom Pakistan, why not in previous govts..
I trust you will agree that at least Zia was not alone in his policy making and Indians were supporting Northern alliance in similar way who were even more oppressive than Taliban and today they are controlling the affairs in Afghanistan.
If all training camps are in Afghanistan than why should we not consider those breeding grounds the root cause of problem. After all it is more hard crime rather than brainwashing.
You have rightfully said that media is biased and it is not by accident.
It's a huge network operated on the basis of hate towards muslim and some idiots in Pakistan also become victim of the conspiracy because of there limited exposure or personal interests.
Just type Pakistan on any search engine and you will clearly see the other team players.
 
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Army itself committed TREASON when it overthrew a elected Pakistani Government. It had no right, as per your consititution it is treason. What sort of an example is this, for the civilians to follow?
We had many military takeovers in past but why Indians disliked only Musharraf's rule.
BTW, Nawaz attempted to crash a civilian aircraft also carrying CoAS and the coup was taking palce on the ground for different reasons and when he landed coup was all over and he assumed the position as he was the cheif officer.
Later he held referendum in Pakistan and which allowed him to keep two offices and that was people's wish.
Later he proved that he had all the qualities to lead the nation through the global crisis.
Now this is the fact but you are here to play your role so no one will stop you for singing 'dictator' tune in every other post.
 
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Yes ofcourse, Musharraf had the presidency 'thrust' upon him! Surely he never wanted it. And surely the Pakistani people love their military rulers, he was after all 'voted' in power, granting him legitimacy!

The trolling BATMAN does on this forum, i tell you! A thick skinned troll if ever there was one.
 
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We had many military takeovers in past but why Indians disliked only Musharraf's rule.
BTW, Nawaz attempted to crash a civilian aircraft also carrying CoAS and the coup was taking palce on the ground for different reasons and when he landed coup was all over and he assumed the position as he was the cheif officer.
Later he held referendum in Pakistan and which allowed him to keep two offices and that was people's wish.
Later he proved that he had all the qualities to lead the nation through the global crisis.
Now this is the fact but you are here to play your role so no one will stop you for singing 'dictator' tune in every other post.

Get a life,
You dont even know about YOUR OWN constitution. Lets not talk about the farce called the referendum.
If Nawaz wanted Musharraf dead, he would have send in the fighters or blew it up in mid-air and say sort of wierd accidental reason. He didnt. Musharaf wasnt allowed to land in pakistan but he could have landed anywhere else in the world, including India or Iran etc.
I dont believe Nawaz wanted to crash saga anyways, I believe it was a cooked up story.

But I do give my full support to Musharraf in the Lal Masjid Episode. What you have forgotten my friend is, During the Crusade; When Saluddin Ayubi send a horse for King Richard when Richard lost his horse while fighting and Saluddin thought his foe who is a King should never fight on ground but rather on a horse.

All you idiots dont have this character, that is the problem. Character of a Man and a Human Being.
 
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We had many military takeovers in past but why Indians disliked only Musharraf's rule.
BTW, Nawaz attempted to crash a civilian aircraft also carrying CoAS and the coup was taking palce on the ground for different reasons and when he landed coup was all over and he assumed the position as he was the cheif officer.
Later he held referendum in Pakistan and which allowed him to keep two offices and that was people's wish.
Later he proved that he had all the qualities to lead the nation through the global crisis.
Now this is the fact but you are here to play your role so no one will stop you for singing 'dictator' tune in every other post.

Batman, there is no question of liking or disliking Musharraf... we have to deal with 'elected representative to governments' ... but we will be concerned if there is negative impact on our country ... :lol:
 
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Batman, there is no question of liking or disliking Musharraf... we have to deal with 'elected representative to governments' ... but we will be concerned if there is negative impact on our country ... :lol:
Can you point out which Pakistani ruler ever had the positive impacts on you?
Should Pakistan also exercise similar rights and deal with India based on his analysis of your leader?
As per my analysis Musharraf had taken boldest initiatives for the sake of regional stability and peace, ever from either side.
 
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I hope you do.
Kashmiri's won't accept attrocities by IA forever. :agree:

You reap what you saw..hw true. Islamist terrorist are going tol make life hell for PA in NWFP.
 
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You reap what you saw..hw true. Islamist terrorist are going tol make life hell for PA in NWFP.

Really! how did u come to this conclusion? I forget cnn yeah. Well what you forget was that PA is capable of handling these 2% limited extremist in the country as they had in the past and will do so in future and if the current regime of president mushraf continues then these people will have to leave pakistan or else they will get killed like before.:sniper:
 
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Though I like to think it is only 2% and I also hope to god that it is the case,

Can you show me where you got the number.

Plus, How much would be the % of the sympathizers of 2% Extremists.
 
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