Pakistan Should Produce More Nuclear Weapons If No F16's

[$@rJen]

That is why PAF is pursuing j31....
Oh..,I won't worry about aircrafts upto4.5 Gen as even jf17 block 3 can counter them....to defeat 4++ we don't need a same aircraft,,,using advanced weaponry such as a darter missile...it would relieve us of some pressure...

Sorry...what??? Jf blk 3 to counter mki mig29u !!! You still need a capable jet to get closer to fire them or see them before they see you.... so yes you need a 4++ gen to counter the threat of 4++ jets..

 

[Mssniper966]

Sorry...what??? Jf blk 3 to counter mki mig29u !!! You still need a capable jet to get closer to fire them or see them before they see you.... so yes you need a 4++ gen to counter the threat of 4++ jets..

yeah abou that u could use other radars to detect the fighter and by link connect all ur planes...

 

[CHACHA"G"]

Hello All
As per Indian members , Pakistan have to pay for F16 , even USA says the same, According to Indians the Price of F16 Block 52 is 34m$$$ per Bird so that's 34 * 8 = 272m $$$$,
We are paying that money ,,, So just gives the birds and keep the Chattni that costing us 430M $$$$$ more ,
Thank you all

 

[Mssniper966]

yeah abou that u could use other radars to detect the fighter and by link connect all ur planes...

So basically u could use cheaper platforms paired with advanced weapon art to take out advanced platforms....this has many advantages...namely lower maintenance costs,more fighter jets can be inducted,etc

 

[Immortan.Joe]

What so good of F16? What is that indulgence of PAF in it? Does J10b is not available for PAF? I'm curious. If the fcking damn Yankees can offer discount, so as China.the more PAF buys F16 to quench l, the more they get thirsty. I call it temporary relief with result in disaster.just look at the ground fact, USA is more like Indians than Pakistanis. Get few squadrons of J10b/c deal done, see what Ysnkees will react. Do tell them Pakistan has Choices!

@Mastan Khan the more you increase F16, the more the Yankees take Pakistan for granted. Just wait and see. J31 block 2 now is in the test, tell Yankees to **** F16.

You need weapons, training, spares, and infrastructure for any plane you buy. Pakistan has it for F-16, not for J-10. J-10 would cost Pakistan upward of $150 million per piece.

You would not only have to gift J-10 to Pakistan for free, but would also have to subsidize weapons, infrastructure, and spares, to make J-10 worthy of upstaging F-16.

 

[volatile]

And right on cue, America accuses China of helping Pakistan with ICBM technology.

With some satellite pictures of TEL launchers apparently.

And we deny that news .But Thank you for your help

You need weapons, training, spares, and infrastructure for any plane you buy. Pakistan has it for F-16, not for J-10. J-10 would cost Pakistan upward of $150 million per piece.

How you asses this ,Any link you can share for more details about exact acquisition cost of J10 ?

 

[帅的一匹]

You need weapons, training, spares, and infrastructure for any plane you buy. Pakistan has it for F-16, not for J-10. J-10 would cost Pakistan upward of $150 million per piece.

You would not only have to gift J-10 to Pakistan for free, but would also have to subsidize weapons, infrastructure, and spares, to make J-10 worthy of upstaging F-16.

J10 is not expensive to maintain

 

[CHACHA"G"]

hello all
You all might think that Chacha G gone mad , positing same thing again and again, But what I can do when the international geopolitical environment proving my point right again and again,
My take in General ,
Yes we need ICBNS , SLVMS , and you name it , but do we have to test them and let the world know and creat more problems for Us , even in todays environment I will say keep them in stores developed and ready for short term notice deployment ,
But what we must need in missiles is good SAMs and ABMs, Try to build them at home (own or tot) have them in really good numbers and declare them ,
And for conventional weapons , We have to Increase our Army size . We have to modernize our Army , more Tanks , AFVs , IFVs , APCs, and other stuff , we have to modernize our infantry div and we have to convert them into Mechanized Inf Div,
For Air Force , we have to increase the numbers and we also need diversity and Tech in shape of Gen, For that best way is Self Reliance. Build and upgrade JF17 ASAP convert this bird in to monster (minimum Gripen NG)
Join Hand with China bring J10Cor D home with TOT and with Pakistani required upgrades .
These 2 birds will help us to counter very large number of IAF , keep in mind both birds will be very advance and equipped with next Gen equipment truly 4++ next Gen advance single engine birds.
J31 is the best option for us to have Medium 5th Gen Bird , this bird can replace our F16s , put money into this program make sure we have it by 2025 and build at least 150 , this will be JV or with TOT made in Pakistan less expansive in the long run ,
We can also go with Turkey with there TFX for heavy 5th Gen bird, and for 4.5++ Gen we have to use our own Drawing boards or try our luck with Europe or in China .
For Navy , Before we go for Nuclear Submarines we need surface fleet first , Good and power full ships and in decent numbers (we surely can not match Indian Navy in numbers) with latest Tech ,
We need minimum 8 F22s ,4 heavy Frigates minimum 6500T ,4Hevay Destroyers minimum 5600T+ and 4 Anti ballistic or Air defence ships 10000+Tons , 8 Coverts 2500+Tons , 8 Facs 1500+ Tons and Few Dozens of Missiles Boats ,
You might say that its a very big navy or we don't need it or its a wish list but my take is that's the minimum Navy Ships that we need ,
Our own ship building facilities can build them , or Buy them with TOT or JV with any Navy , lol we still have few friends out there,
Thank you all for reading.

 

[帅的一匹]

There is huge string attached in F16 deal, can any one expect USA will agree to replenish new f16 or spare parts to PAF during war?

 

[$@rJen]

yeah abou that u could use other radars to detect the fighter and by link connect all ur planes...

Yes other radars... like walk in the park and what you're talking about network centric warfare ??? you need a good aesa. .. to install a aesa you need a powerful enough Engines.. even if you've then you need a long legged fighter with decent payload..

 

[Mssniper966]

Hello All
As per Indian members , Pakistan have to pay for F16 , even USA says the same, According to Indians the Price of F16 Block 52 is 34m$$$ per Bird so that's 34 * 8 = 272m $$$$,
We are paying that money ,,, So just gives the birds and keep the Chattni that costing us 430M $$$$$ more ,
Thank you all[/QUOTE

Yes other radars... like walk in the park and what you're talking about network centric warfare ??? you need a good aesa. .. to install a aesa you need a powerful enough Engines.. even if you've then you need a long legged fighter with decent payload..

this is where jf17 Blk 3 will come into play....with 5th Gen missiles

 

[firestorm77]

Hi,

If I was in a position of power---I could fck up with the minds of the americans so easy---just give them a piece of their own medicine---but I am sitting here in my house quietly doing nothing---.

I agree, as they say fortune favors the bold.

 

[Cool_Soldier]

I am hopeful, this deal wont go in vain.Some solution will come out as both govt are keen to see deal is done.
Dont loose hope friends, this is mind game and and one needs extra patience to control and tackle.
Insha Allah enemy Plan will be void.

 

[Photon]

What so good of F16? What is that indulgence of PAF in it? Does J10b is not available for PAF? I'm curious. If the fcking damn Yankees can offer discount, so as China.the more PAF buys F16 to quench l, the more they get thirsty. I call it temporary relief with result in disaster.just look at the ground fact, USA is more like Indians than Pakistanis. Get few squadrons of J10b/c deal done, see what Ysnkees will react. Do tell them Pakistan has Choices!

@Mastan Khan the more you increase F16, the more the Yankees take Pakistan for granted. Just wait and see. J31 block 2 now is in the test, tell Yankees to **** F16.

Simply answer is J-10 is just not as good as F-16. And PAF loves them, some F-16s

On Paper J-10 B maybe just as good and in certain aspects like AESA radar even better than F-16 Blk 52s.

But western weapons certain refinement about them, that Chinese or even Russians can not match. And only a operator who has operated both types of weapons can tell.

PAF as of now needs, night time, precision targeting capabilities for bombing its tribal areas. Thats is why it had ordered 6 dual seater and only 2 single seater F-16s.

After operating F-16 for more than three decades, PAF is not really impressed by Chinese avionics, targeting pods or precision weapons.

On Musharraf's insistence Pakistan had signed a deal for 36 J-10s in 2006 itself, but even after decade the deal hasn't come to fruition. That is because PAF is not to inclined in investing in another Chinese system, when it was only a very modest upgrade over it own Jf-17s.

But now most likely they won't choice anymore.

 

[$@rJen]

this is where jf17 Blk 3 will come into play....with 5th Gen missiles

I don't know where to begin... first of all... Jf blk 3 will never be a 4.5 gen... in spite of upgrades... but it can serve as a good interceptor... what's the purpose of mounting 4th 5th gen fighter when the fighter is less capable than rival ones... example a Rafale would find and fire a bvr way before Jf or mig 21/27 search for a target