Pakistan Should Produce More Nuclear Weapons If No F16's

[Freyja]

You guys misunderstood us....when we talk about selling 'Da Bomb' we're referring to a new mojito and vodka mix that we've invented with a special secret ingredient !

Well in that case, if you share we can probably overlook this transgression. Europe likes bribes.

But being serious for a second, Europe adheres to non-proliferation treaties - which also means punishing nuclear proliferators. Pakistan can build its own, but the moment it opens its nuclear program for sale it triggers all kinds of international red-lines.

If people here want to think Pakistan Stronk, Europe wouldn't dare... well, we f*cked up Iran for a few decades, so respect the precedent.

 

[PAFMAN]

That's true, if we won't have conventional weapons due to "Successful" Indian lobbying, we will need to cover the deficiency some other way and that will be nuclear weapons.
Same as North Korea who can't have conventional weapons and finds safety and security in nuclear weapons.
In this was India's "successful " diplomacy will back fire.

Bro - i just wana say i like your DP
you changed my mood always whenever i get angry while reading any nonsense on this foram.

Sir,

just one question, thru this foram are we really sending our MESSAGES to our Forces like, Army, Airforce or we are just playing with our own minds?
or its really gonna work?

Specially @MastanKhan , @Quwa and many more has great knowledge and ideas. but the thing is your ideas should be reached to our mindless defense minister and who is dealing with all these issue.

Hope to see your reply sir's

 

[MilSpec]

Couple of questions

1. Why is all of south mostly red? Despite having greater pop of blacks as compared to blue states
2. While I agree republicans are conservative but conservatism and racism do not necessarily overlap do they?

1> they are still a minority and when majority vote is undivided, minority effects do not change ourcomes.
2>That narrative is would be reflective of the 60's and 70's.

Original republican values as espoused by sane republicans likes of McCain, Romney etc stand for smaller govt, lesser taxes, strong military, less regulation and literal interpretation of constitution of United States.

That's a smoke screen, smaller government in context of laxed regulations for big business, Lesser taxes for the obscenely rich, Strong military in terms of buying big ticket items and cutting funding for Veterans and educational benefits. Anything far from literal translation, rather a tadka to suit there own agenda.

Bigotry and likes of tea party values are temporary fads and Trump is something else entirely. He is as much a democrat as a republican and took the fractured playground of republican primaries as platform for his candidacy as Hillary was too tough an opponent on the democratic side.

Bernie does better than Hillary against trump in every poll that was taken. but then again, and No Trump is not an isolated phenomenon. He is the candidate that the republican voters have always wanted, just not what the GOP establishment wants.

 

[PAFMAN]

Hi,

There is one thing I learnt in my business---never sell yourself short---and never believe that the experts know more than you would.

The paf top brass or defence experts do not have my american car sales /finsnce / managerial experience and deal making in the U S---. Military personal are the worst people to make deal---we literally rip their heads off in gross profit---.

Also---I have more exposure to material in books thru libraries than all the paf's resources put together in pakistan.

Last but not the least----defence related websites----there are a lots of professionals---and what do pros do----they like to talk---everyone of them like to talk---.

Dealing with the congress and senate is like dealing with the worst than car sales people.

As I stated earlier----U S knew that paf was desperate for the F16's---but the paf did not know that they had to find a way not to show that desperation.

Car sales 101---you cannot deal with the americans from a position of desperation---.. When you come to buy a car from me and tell me that you cannot find anything elsewhere and cannot get financed---and I canget you financed---I will rip your head off in gross profit---and you will follow my dictate.

that is what has happened here.

I told the higher ups last february---get the J10C's---the U S ill automatically come to you---and they will say---" why the fck you did not buy from us "---that is when you will have them---.

This deal is a pure fck up by the pakistan air chief marshall Sohail Aman---.

Completely agree, i really dont understand what Our ACM thinks what he is, just to fly F16 on National day doesn't really mean that you are great Chief, till now he just put us in trouble since he became ACM. and i am sure he is not going to do anything, he will keep praising only zarb e azb, that we did this, we did that. and INDIA will get what they want.
and PAF will scratch their balls and nothing else.

and some F16 fanboy keep saying we do not have money bla bla bla bla.

ITS TIME TO WAKE UP DUMB AND BLIND NATION BEFORE YOU GET FCKD UP COMPLETLY

 

[trident2010]

Hi,

Let the U S stop the sale----. Pakistan must increase the production of nuclear weapons by at least a 1000%.

So if the U S wants to cut off the conventional power base---no problem---let us increase the nuclear threshold---.

The U S senators think that they got us by the ball joints---that is fine---let us increase the threshold---let us take the number of nuclear weapons to 500 at least---and let us start serious production of ICBM's---and other missile systems---.

If the U S wants to play the game---that is fine----two can play it better---. Let us see who blinks first.

Nuclear weapons for killing terrorists inside pakistan territory? F-16 is wanted for war on terror isn't it?

 

[Skywalker]

Mayday Mayday Mayday ! pakis right now ! rise your middle one finger put it back in your arse hole and smell what the rock is cooking?

Mayday Mayday Mayday ! pakis right now ! rise your middle one finger put it back in your arse hole and smell what the rock is cooking?

Is this the best you can come up with, we don't wanna come to your level, however if you insist we can tell you where that finger actually is at this point of time.

 

[Spectre]

1> they are still a minority and when majority vote is undivided, minority effects do not change ourcomes.
2>That narrative is would be reflective of the 60's and 70's.

That's a smoke screen, smaller government in context of laxed regulations for big business, Lesser taxes for the obscenely rich, Strong military in terms of buying big ticket items and cutting funding for Veterans and educational benefits. Anything far from literal translation, rather a tadka to suit there own agenda.


Bernie does better than Hillary against trump in every poll that was taken. but then again, and No Trump is not an isolated phenomenon. He is the candidate that the republican voters have always wanted, just not what the GOP establishment wants.

The election results will either validate or refute your assertions about Trump. As for rest of it - I am a big believer of trickle down economics having personally seen it working and situation with suffocating regulations both in India and US where nothing ever gets done, SMEs are starved, jobs are of either low quality or none. In the end with low taxes economy grows. It is a well proven FACT that subsidy or welfare based system has negative effect on economy. Refer the following graph which everyone learns in Eco-101

 

[Mav3rick]

Nuclear weapons for killing terrorists inside pakistan territory? F-16 is wanted for war on terror isn't it?

The F-16's are for use against terrorists hiding within our boundaries, the Nuclear Weapons are meant for terrorists who are outside our boundaries. However, both weapons are meant for terrorists.

 

[leftfordead]

@MastanKhan what you are proposing is far stretched .. Nukes can't be answer to all our problems just like you always preach that JF cant be Answer for All PAF needs ..
yeah I agree with you that we should back-off from this F-16 saga for once, if and I hope the deal will end by next month , that means Pakistani Establishment will not be very happy with US and their Policies .. so what will be the result ?
its very Simple , Pakistan will look through other Options , Russia is there .. we can negotiate or we can bring China in to axis and push for Russian to lift the ban on Chinese J series .. a couple for Sqs of J-11D with AESA and other goodies will enable PAF for long and deep strike Operations , Plus we will have AESA and probably IRST ..

2 sqs means 36 units are worth taking the chance of adding another 4.5 Gen Aircraft .. J-11D is and will be far better than F-16 in almost every aspect from Hard points, range , Payload , EW suites etc ..
but my suggestion will be to first directly approach the Russian for Su-35 ..

if people remember the AH-Z1 saga a few year back , US deny to sell it to Pakistan, than comes T-129 , Z-10 and Russian Heli's and look what was the Outcome ? US quickly release the sale of 15 AH-Z1 to Pakistan with Hell fire missiles and other goodies .. sometimes you just have to play your cards .. which we least expect from PAF ..

instead of investing in Nukes , I would suggest more funds for JF , increase production rate , try to get Pods and other EW suites from Europe . and use diplomacy to get either su-35 or Chinese J-series .. ( j-11)

 

[mourning sage]

Hi,

Let the U S stop the sale----. Pakistan must increase the production of nuclear weapons by at least a 1000%.


If the U S wants to play the game---that is fine----two can play it better---. Let us see who blinks first.

An enticing proposition, wouldn't it be much better if we just turn to the Russian camp? That'll fetch a kick right in the balls too. The ICBMs and the nukes would only gather dust.

 

[MastanKhan]

@MastanKhan what you are proposing is far stretched .. Nukes can't be answer to all our problems just like you always preach that JF cant be Answer for All PAF needs ..
yeah I agree with you that we should back-off from this F-16 saga for once, if and I hope the deal will end by next month , that means Pakistani Establishment will not be very happy with US and their Policies .. so what will be the result ?
its very Simple , Pakistan will look through other Options , Russia is there .. we can negotiate or we can bring China in to axis and push for Russian to lift the ban on Chinese J series .. a couple for Sqs of J-11D with AESA and other goodies will enable PAF for long and deep strike Operations , Plus we will have AESA and probably IRST ..

2 sqs means 36 units are worth taking the chance of adding another 4.5 Gen Aircraft .. J-11D is and will be far better than F-16 in almost every aspect from Hard points, range , Payload , EW suites etc ..
but my suggestion will be to first directly approach the Russian for Su-35 ..

if people remember the AH-Z1 saga a few year back , US deny to sell it to Pakistan, than comes T-129 , Z-10 and Russian Heli's and look what was the Outcome ? US quickly release the sale of 15 AH-Z1 to Pakistan with Hell fire missiles and other goodies .. sometimes you just have to play your cards .. which we least expect from PAF ..

instead of investing in Nukes , I would suggest more funds for JF , increase production rate , try to get Pods and other EW suites from Europe . and use diplomacy to get either su-35 or Chinese J-series .. ( j-11)

Hi,

To shoot for the moon----you have to seek the stars----.

It was on the similar helicopter deal that I had made that proposal----. Take away from the thing that they control you with----and they will go crazy---take away the power that they have over you--and they will go mad---.

For that very reason---Paf should have taken those 18 J10C's last year---china was very willing----the deal would have been tremedous.

If the J10 has issues---trhe the paf should take care of them and make it better for both---themselves and for china as well.

They have done it many a times before with chinese aircraft---so what is stopping it now---?

@PAFMAN --- Paf is LYING about the J10---they just want to stay in their comfort zones and that is all---otherwise the J10C with aesa is an extremely potent aircraft---.

 

[Humble Analyst]

mastaan saab, calm down.

The official justification of F16 was counter terrorism, now unless you want to nuke terrorists, there cannot be a parallel.

And why would US care if you had 100 or 1000 nukes, you can only deliver it to India. Pay the amount and get your jets, why do you want something you cant afford. You will have to pay one way or the other, if not with dollars then by subservience and allegiances, which in a long run is more expensive, as documented by the events that have taken place.

If anything ask Nawaz sherif to sell a few of his properties in London, and money shouldn't be an issue.

Somehow India has become US baby

Nuclear weapons for killing terrorists inside pakistan territory? F-16 is wanted for war on terror isn't it?

Means to ends

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

Ok, You all need to chill out. If you think blackmailing the U

It is a well proven FACT that subsidy or welfare based system has negative effect on economy. Refer the following graph which everyone learns in Eco-101

What? No, there is no fact. Your econ 101 picture is just for that an econ 101 course.

Subsidies effect are objective. It is true some subsidies can cause a negative reaction. If and only if the deadweight out weights the surplus.

 

[flamer84]

Well in that case, if you share we can probably overlook this transgression. Europe likes bribes.

But being serious for a second, Europe adheres to non-proliferation treaties - which also means punishing nuclear proliferators. Pakistan can build its own, but the moment it opens its nuclear program for sale it triggers all kinds of international red-lines.

If people here want to think Pakistan Stronk, Europe wouldn't dare... well, we f*cked up Iran for a few decades, so respect the precedent.

Forget Europe,imagine how Russia or even China would feel about a state handing nuclear popsickles for pennies to every entity interested out there.Heck,there was a crazy Polish politician a few days ago saying that Poland should "rent" some nukes from the US .Now,imagine that nukes would really be on the market,i'd bet that that particular guy would want some to turn Moscow into a parking lot.

 

[Spectre]

Ok, You all need to chill out. If you think blackmailing the U


What? No, there is no fact. Your econ 101 picture is just for that an econ 101 course.

Subsidies effect are objective. It is true some subsidies can cause a negative reaction. If and only if the deadweight out weights the surplus.

which it does in most cases