Pakistan orders more Mi-35Ms

[TexasJohn]

No, most probably 20 max as PAA is purchasing T-129 in large number Block-1 around 30 examples while it may consider purchasing block2 as well in similar quantity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAI/AgustaWestland_T129_ATAK
" On 25 May 2018, it was reported that Pakistan signed an agreement with Turkey to procure 30 T129s. As of December 2018, the manufacturer has failed to obtain the necessary export permit from Honeywell for the T129 with the LHTEC T800-4A engine, and the manufacturer is now seeking a replacement engine to enable Turkey to complete the transaction"

 

[Cool_Soldier]

Yes. but still no official refusal for US engine.
Safe side, manufacture is connecting with French company for alternative solution.

 

[TexasJohn]

Yes. but still no official refusal for US engine.
Safe side, manufacture is connecting with French company for alternative solution.

No actual refusal. Just a go slow...real slow, till the deal falls apart. The "alternative" has not even been tested. Not to mention the current US administration isn't exactly friendly towards Pakistan - if you have not noticed

 

[airmarshal]

I just don't the the color used below the chopper I would have preferred a black color or for whole copter or chemo all over the helicopter

Or a simple grey

Pakistan Army Hind camo colors are very cheap and garish. It looks like a Third World helicopter. Would be better to paint olive green like AH-1.

 

[Canuck786]

Do I understand correctly that these are 38 million dollar per unit limousines for VIP's?

 

[mdmm]

All below attached news are very confusing..
So exactly, what is now Pakistan buying to fight on east and west borders.
Mi-35 , Z-10 or T-129 .

I was reading a post by one of the test pilots who was operating the Z10s in Pakistan that China has made significant changes to Z10s on Pakistan's recommendation and USA has blocked sale of Engines for Pakistan T129s so they might not be coming as AH1s arent coming so we might go for Z10s which according to him are superior machines to T129s and even Zulus

 

[Philip the Arab]

Pakistan could arm their Mi-17s with 8 ZT3 Ingwe's which can also act as a transport helicopter. Would be good for Western front and Pakistan's Fennecs could be integrated with the Ingwe even. The missile offers over 1000mm of penetration and can each destroy a Indian tank and would make a great recon platform.
Mi-17

Eurocopter Fennec with 2 on each side.

 

[CHI RULES]

Pakistan could arm their Mi-17s with 8 ZT3 Ingwe's which can also act as a transport helicopter. Would be good for Western front and Pakistan's Fennecs could be integrated with the Ingwe even. The missile offers over 1000mm of penetration and can each destroy a Indian tank and would make a great recon platform.
Mi-17

Eurocopter Fennec with 2 on each side.

Dear member your idea of arming Mi17s is quite up to mark however it is mentioned by pros that Mi17s don not have enough protection to stand direct hits from ground. If and when we get Mi35s in sufficient numbers then we may go for use of helicopters in groups consisting few fennecs, Mi35s and Mi17s. Considering uniformity and economy there are vital chances that Pak shall arm Helicopters with similar ATGMs of one origin may be Chinese or Turkish. Due to some unknown reasons Pak has so fer not started any significant cooperation with South African arms dealers though their quality is well renowned.
The most needed area for Pak to consider for cooperation with South Africa is naval based SAMs, may be JV for Umkhonto i.e short to medium range versions for up coming naval assets.

 

[denel]

Dear member your idea of arming Mi17s is quite up to mark however it is mentioned by pros that Mi17s don not have enough protection to stand direct hits from ground. If and when we get Mi35s in sufficient numbers then we may go for use of helicopters in groups consisting few fennecs, Mi35s and Mi17s. Considering uniformity and economy there are vital chances that Pak shall arm Helicopters with similar ATGMs of one origin may be Chinese or Turkish. Due to some unknown reasons Pak has so fer not started any significant cooperation with South African arms dealers though their quality is well renowned.
The most needed area for Pak to consider for cooperation with South Africa is naval based SAMs, may be JV for Umkhonto i.e short to medium range versions for up coming naval assets.

correct. even the Mi35 has been beefed up with kits; not sure even if that was explored to maximise mi35.

 

[CHI RULES]

correct. even the Mi35 has been beefed up with kits; not sure even if that was explored to maximise mi35.

Sir you are quite right, Pak may benefit in many areas from South Africa, the previous PN chief also visited South African facilities there are still chances we may hear good news in coming years especially in case of Naval SAMs.

 

[denel]

Sir you are quite right, Pak may benefit in many areas from South Africa, the previous PN chief also visited South African facilities there are still chances we may hear good news in coming years especially in case of Naval SAMs.

According to my sources, nothing transpired which is what is so saddening. They come here to have a good time nothing else. So much to offer but it is all coming down to kickbacks.

 

[Philip the Arab]

Dear member your idea of arming Mi17s is quite up to mark however it is mentioned by pros that Mi17s don not have enough protection to stand direct hits from ground. If and when we get Mi35s in sufficient numbers then we may go for use of helicopters in groups consisting few fennecs, Mi35s and Mi17s. Considering uniformity and economy there are vital chances that Pak shall arm Helicopters with similar ATGMs of one origin may be Chinese or Turkish. Due to some unknown reasons Pak has so fer not started any significant cooperation with South African arms dealers though their quality is well renowned.
The most needed area for Pak to consider for cooperation with South Africa is naval based SAMs, may be JV for Umkhonto i.e short to medium range versions for up coming naval assets.

Protection isn't too serious. The Apache can take 23mm cannon fire which no country uses as a anti-aircraft weapon. If a helicopter is going to be shot down it will be shot down in today's world considering why the U.S. used the OH-58 Kiowa even with light armor these can destroy tanks and will be shot down as easily as the AH-64 from a 25mm Bushmaster or a 2A42 by just a few shots. My recommendation is to add Kevlar floor protection, flare, chaff, and this would be pretty could formidable tank hunter.

Also another option that Pakistan has is to buy small helicopters like the AH-6 that are hard to spot and can still perform multiple roles specifically designed with superior performance characteristics and flexible, easily configurable mission equipment ideal for Light Attack, Precision Attack, Anti-armor, Close Combat Attacks, Reconnaissance, Security & Escort, Troop Insertion/Extraction, Combat Search & Rescue.


This is actually Saudi Arabian and you can see the two Hellfire's.

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[Ahmet Pasha]

Could there be a an Airborne Division on cards?? Will they get better aurcraft for airlift?? Y-20??

LCB formations have matured in to experienced and battle hardened units, and have filled the gap between regular Infantry and Spec Fcs, full fledged shock troops role.

Trained to deploy within hours anywhere in country.

Mi35 is part of this strategy, other elements in the planning.

TAI 12ton helo could be relevant in that sense.

I am aware of 7x Light Commando Battalions, probably there exist two more. Currently, the LCB's are COIN-centric, all operate Maxxpro's and have QRT's ready for dealing with any terrorist threat.

But, the role of this force is envisioned to be similar to that of IA Para. 1x battalion is held under each Corps HQ, with the current aircraft inventory company level drops are possible if Puma's & Mi-17's of PAA squadrons posted in Corps AOR are put to use. And this may increase to battalion level in some sectors if PAF C-130's provide assistance.

Keeping the IF's in mind, significant investment in fixed wing aircraft as well as medium-to-heavy transport helicopters is required.

LCB Insignia

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

AirForces Monthly
February 2019 (Issue 371)

In 2015, Senior Russian diplomat Zamir Kabulov told RIA Novosti Pakistan could buy upto 12 Mi-35M's.

Why are we buying Mi 35s when India is retiring them?

 

[Sine Nomine]

According to my sources, nothing transpired which is what is so saddening. They come here to have a good time nothing else. So much to offer but it is all coming down to kickbacks.

Getting nothing fron SA is our bad luck.