Pakistan National Anthem (Quami Tarana) Persian Myth

[TMA]

oh really..bro you were making it a national language right...

Well if the Founding Fathers in 1947 made it so, then Pakistanis would be speaking some form of Persian by now.

How many Pakistanis spoke Urdu in 1947 as a percentage?

 

[war&peace]

You are joking.

No one in many local neighbourhood will know Persian unless he is an Afghan refugee or studying Persian at University.

Do you have access to free health services?

Well if the Founding Fathers in 1947 made it so, then Pakistanis would be speaking some form of Persian by now.

How many Pakistanis spoke Urdu in 1947?

How NHS is performing in your area?

 

[TMA]

Do you have access to free health services?


How NHS is performing in your area?

What?
This is fallacious argumentation.

Please stick to the topic.

 

[war&peace]

What?
This is fallacious argumentation.

Please stick to the topic.

How come? Just asking a question bro...

 

[TMA]

How come? Just asking a question bro...

Your question is not relevant to the discussion at hand.

You could ask an Administrator to check the IP address of these posts if you really don't believe me.
(But then I could have used a Proxy???)

My point is that Persian could have easily been the language of the Nation if the Founding Fathers made it so in 1947. But they chose Urdu. Fine but please then enforce Urdu (the Hindi of Iqbal). At this rate we have lost Persian and we will lose Urdu...

 

[war&peace]

Your question is not relevant to the discussion at hand.

You could ask an Administrator to check the IP address of these posts if you really don't believe me.
(But then I could have used a Proxy???)

My point is that Persian could have easily been the language of the Nation if the Founding Fathers made it so in 1947. But they chose Urdu. Fine but please then enforce Urdu (the Hindi of Iqbal). At this rate we have lost Persian and we will lose Urdu...

No, I'm not doubting your location and i have no interest in finding about it but I do care about your health and welfare bro..

 

[TMA]

No, I'm not doubting your location and i have no interest in finding about it but I do care about your health and welfare bro..

yeah but this is subtle way to go off on a tangent....I shall leave you to it....g'luck برادرام

 

[war&peace]

yeah but this is subtle way to go off on a tangent....I shall leave you to it....g'luck برادرام

I just had to you know because when none of 220 million people in Pakistan is talking about something my bro, born or at least living in UK wants to impose on the nation...then definitely I should be concerned about NHS. May be I can write a letter to them
Bro, you are intelligent ...have a nice day and a jumma mubarak

 

[TMA]

I just had to you know because when none of 220 million people in Pakistan is talking about something my bro, born or at least living in UK wants to impose on the nation...then definitely I should be concerned about NHS. May be I can write a letter to them
Bro, you are intelligent ...have a nice day and a jumma mubarak

Read my initial post. "They should have..." past tense.... it is my opinion that your usage of the word "impose" to describe my opinion about what the Founding Fathers should have done in 1947 a tad invalid, as in no way did I suggest that Pakistan today should do this.

Pakistan cannot even impose Iqbal's Hindi (Urdu) on herself even in the present day...how on Earth can she revive Persian!?
Someone perusing through this thread may read into this from my comments, but only because of your replies.
I write this in this comment to make it clear.


Thank you for your concern regarding the NHS, you could write to Matt Hancock.

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/department-of-health-and-social-care

 

[xyxmt]

That is cos most Pakistanis even Urdu speaking ones don't really speak Urdu. We just think we do.
We really speak something called "Hindustani" mixed up with Punjabi/Pukhto/Sindhi etc etc...

You know I am in Rawalpindi right now and when I go out and about to the Bazzars I try and speak Urdu as fully as I can (I am not that good but getting better), the times shopkeepers don't understand Urdu words and then I have to use English words and they get it.

What Dr Israr Ahmed spoke in his lectures and what the FM spoke at the UNGA was Urdu. And not sophisticated Urdu, just Urdu as by definition Urdu is sophisticated.

But you are right many Urdu words are Persian words.


So how come hardly any Pakistani speaks Persian?

dude get real, its persian, Urdu is a mix of many language
pickup any Persian paper and you will make sense of 50% of its contents, that is if you know Urdu

 

[Sugarcane]

99.99% of National Anthem is Persian by Vocabulary and by grammar, Why we always have to twist facts?

Well if the Founding Fathers in 1947 made it so, then Pakistanis would be speaking some form of Persian by now.

How many Pakistanis spoke Urdu in 1947 as a percentage?

Persian was replaced by Urdu by 1947 and Urdu became language of Muslims of Central and Western part of Indian Subcontinent because of politics , So it was logical and good choice for National language. It will replace local languages as first language of people in next few decades for good.

 

[!eon]

It will replace local languages as first language of people in next few decades for good.

Only in Punjab

 

[Sugarcane]

Only in Punjab

On Punjab no effort needed, it's already going well on the path. few decades are needed for other provinces.

 

[!eon]

On Punjab no effort needed, it's already going well on the path. few decades are needed for other provinces.

I can only say about Pashtuns with 100% certainty, they would not be giving up Pashtu for Urdu, even after a century.

For Persian as national language, it might had been other story.

 

[Sugarcane]

I can only say about Pashtuns with 100% certainty, they would not be giving up Pashtu for Urdu, even after a century.

For Persian as national language, it might had been other story.

As Urdu is lingua franca (already 2nd or 3rd language in KP), it's also official language and language of Media - so it's natural that in every new generation and with increase in literacy rate the influence of Urdu become more.