Urdu belongs to India, not Pakistan : Javed Akhtar

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They say rupaiyay.

We say rupay.


Btw it were the mughals and sher shah suri who started minting rupee as currency in 16th century and British later followed it and made it the official currency.

rupaiya is a UP accent thing iinw, we say rupay in dailyspeak too.

also "baap bada na bhaiiya, sabse bada rupiiya" is an old kahavat

 

[ThunderCat]

“The Punjab presumably felt the impact of Persian before any other part of India, starting in the Ghaznavid period. Bailey believes that “the formation of Urdu began as soon as the Ghaznavi forces settled in Lahore in 1027”

-Literacy in the Persianate World: Writing and the Social Order

“As we have seen , Mahmud Shirani places the origin of Urdu in the eleventh century, relating it to the Ghaznavi rule over the Panjab”

- A House Divided: The Origin and Development of Hindi/Hindavi

Grahame Bailey , after analysing them , came to the conclusion that "the formation of Urdu began as soon as the Ghaznavi forces settled in Lahore , i . e . in 1027 ”

-Rise of Muslims in Indian Politics An Analysis of Developments from 1885 to 1906

“Mahmud Shirani places the origin of Urdu in the eleventh century, relating. It to the Ghaznavi rule over the Punjab”.

- History of Printing and Publishing in India: Origins of printing and publishing in the Hindi heartland

“Urdu begins , as it must as a matter of commonsense have begun , as soon as the Ghaznavi armies got to Lahore in 1027 - and Lahore was nowhere near the area of Khari ( and still less that of Braj and Avadhi)”

- Central Asian Review Volume 15 1967

“The language in which these texts were written was similar to Urdu, which was to develop much later. The assertion is based on the premise that this early Urdu-like language was derived from Ghaznavid Persian”

- A Comprehensive History of Medieval India Twelfth to the Mid-eighteenth Century

“The origins of Urdu date back to the period of Ghaznavid rule in the Panjāb in the sixth / twelfth century .”

-The Cambridge History of Islam: Volume 2B, Islamic Society and Civilisation Volume 2, Part 2 1977

“its early development took place in Punjab following the Ghaznavid conquest of Punjab whence Punjabi language came to be influenced by Turko-Persian language”

- Early Urdu Historiography By Javed Ali Khan · 2005

“The origin of Urdu dates back to the period of the Ghaznavid rule in the Punjab”

- History of Islam: Classical period, 1206-1900 C.E

"It is generally agreed that the early Muslim invasions of the Punjab (from 1027) fused Persian with its heavy Arabic content with Old Punjabi"

-The Sufis of Bijapur, 1300-1700 Social Roles of Sufis in Medieval India

"The formation of Urdu began in 1027 when Mahmud ' s armies were stationed at Lahore."

- Islam and Pakistan's Identity

"The birth of Urdu language was the direct result of the synthesis between the invading armies of Mahmud of Ghazni with the civilian population of the Indian cities. The word Urdu itself means Lashkar, derived from the Turkish language meaning armies."

- The Essentials of Indian Culture by K.K.Khullar

“Those who ascribe the origin of Urdu to Delhi and its environs ignore the considerable chunk of 177 of earlier history of uninterrupted interaction of Persian and Punjabi. Their theory also fails to explain the existence of Urdu in the South in the form of Dakhani of a large number of Punjabi words and grammatical constructions. In view of this background, it seems that the late professor Mahmood Sherwani and Professor Zore were right in holding that urdu was born in Punjab. There is ample historical and literary evidence to support this view.”

-Prince, Poet, Lover, Builder, Muhammad Quli Qutb Shah, the Founder of Hyderabad by Narendra Luther

"In fact this mixture of locals and foreigners gave birth to the language of Urdu in Lahore that was called Lashkari Zuban (language of army) at that time."

-Lahore During the Ghaznavid Period by Khalid Kanwal

"The very word Urdu came into being as the original Lashkari dialect, in other words, the language of the army."

-Geography of the South Asian Subcontinent: A Critical Approach

 

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“The Punjab presumably felt the impact of Persian before any other part of India, starting in the Ghaznavid period. Bailey believes that “the formation of Urdu began as soon as the Ghaznavi forces settled in Lahore in 1027”

-Literacy in the Persianate World: Writing and the Social Order

“As we have seen , Mahmud Shirani places the origin of Urdu in the eleventh century, relating it to the Ghaznavi rule over the Panjab”

- A House Divided: The Origin and Development of Hindi/Hindavi

Grahame Bailey , after analysing them , came to the conclusion that "the formation of Urdu began as soon as the Ghaznavi forces settled in Lahore , i . e . in 1027 ”

-Rise of Muslims in Indian Politics An Analysis of Developments from 1885 to 1906

“Mahmud Shirani places the origin of Urdu in the eleventh century, relating. It to the Ghaznavi rule over the Punjab”.

- History of Printing and Publishing in India: Origins of printing and publishing in the Hindi heartland

“Urdu begins , as it must as a matter of commonsense have begun , as soon as the Ghaznavi armies got to Lahore in 1027 - and Lahore was nowhere near the area of Khari ( and still less that of Braj and Avadhi)”

- Central Asian Review Volume 15 1967

“The language in which these texts were written was similar to Urdu, which was to develop much later. The assertion is based on the premise that this early Urdu-like language was derived from Ghaznavid Persian”

- A Comprehensive History of Medieval India Twelfth to the Mid-eighteenth Century

“The origins of Urdu date back to the period of Ghaznavid rule in the Panjāb in the sixth / twelfth century .”

-The Cambridge History of Islam: Volume 2B, Islamic Society and Civilisation Volume 2, Part 2 1977

“its early development took place in Punjab following the Ghaznavid conquest of Punjab whence Punjabi language came to be influenced by Turko-Persian language”

- Early Urdu Historiography By Javed Ali Khan · 2005

“The origin of Urdu dates back to the period of the Ghaznavid rule in the Punjab”

- History of Islam: Classical period, 1206-1900 C.E

"It is generally agreed that the early Muslim invasions of the Punjab (from 1027) fused Persian with its heavy Arabic content with Old Punjabi"

-The Sufis of Bijapur, 1300-1700 Social Roles of Sufis in Medieval India

"The formation of Urdu began in 1027 when Mahmud ' s armies were stationed at Lahore."

- Islam and Pakistan's Identity

"The birth of Urdu language was the direct result of the synthesis between the invading armies of Mahmud of Ghazni with the civilian population of the Indian cities. The word Urdu itself means Lashkar, derived from the Turkish language meaning armies."

- The Essentials of Indian Culture by K.K.Khullar

“Those who ascribe the origin of Urdu to Delhi and its environs ignore the considerable chunk of 177 of earlier history of uninterrupted interaction of Persian and Punjabi. Their theory also fails to explain the existence of Urdu in the South in the form of Dakhani of a large number of Punjabi words and grammatical constructions. In view of this background, it seems that the late professor Mahmood Sherwani and Professor Zore were right in holding that urdu was born in Punjab. There is ample historical and literary evidence to support this view.”

-Prince, Poet, Lover, Builder, Muhammad Quli Qutb Shah, the Founder of Hyderabad by Narendra Luther

"In fact this mixture of locals and foreigners gave birth to the language of Urdu in Lahore that was called Lashkari Zuban (language of army) at that time."

-Lahore During the Ghaznavid Period by Khalid Kanwal

"The very word Urdu came into being as the original Lashkari dialect, in other words, the language of the army."

-Geography of the South Asian Subcontinent: A Critical Approach

early crude dialect maybe

the final refined version is a product of current day UP

 

[iamnobody]

This great so called intellectual of India does not even know the basic fact that Hindi is not a national language of India.

This bhayya poet cum intellectual from Uttar Pradesh probably bought his college degrees from a local market like his fellow UPiites do.

I don't understand Hindi vs Urdu debate.
Both languages are derived from the Hindustani language. A Hindi speaker understands Urdu and vice versa. Both languages are essentially same.

And both languages are being imposed by the central government in both countries which is destroying non Hindi/Urdu languages.

 

[El Sidd]

انڈیا کی تنظیم سازی کا مرکزی اختیار پاکستان کی بدنصیبی ہے ۔

 

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India's central organizing authority is the misfortune of Pakistan.

explain further, pleaj

 

[ThunderCat]

early crude dialect maybe

the final refined version is a product of current day UP

No one disputed that. Not to mention the name "urdu" is from Delhi, not Lahore.

Bailey calls Khariboli it's step parent. But it went through centuries of Persianization, so North Indians were not necessarily the only cause of refinement.

It's refinement is owed to centuries of Ghaznavid, Ghori & Mughal rule. And perhaps even British standardization.