Pakistan may study other fighter options as US asks Pakistan to make full payment for F-16 purchase

[Blabla]

Unfortunately PAF is the lover of F16, what can we say?

On PAF is working on JF17 Block 3 and JF17B is ready to be acquired from 2017 .PAF is also negotiating for CH5 and J31 or J20 will be inducted not before 2025

 

[kabooter_maila]

If you get screwed out of this deal, it would be Americans who would be screwing you, not Indians. Indians would be just an excuse ,a cover, for Americans to back out of this deal.


No one except Jews (and that too because of Christian fundamentalists) could make USA go against its own interests. This deal has been defunded either because US wants more concessions from you or want you to pay full price.

I tend to agree with you. It's not this lobby or that lobby. This lobbying business is all for fooling others. Americans love to play bad cop (Congress/Senate) and good cop (administration) since long. It is well defined blackmailing mechanism. When needed, congressmen/senators act like harmless sheep for the sake of US national interests and they play for getting lobbying perks/benefits for the rest. The game is played with mutual interest and understanding between US administration and congressmen/senators. In the current case, if they see strategic significance of this deal, they'll let it go through. Otherwise, they'll keep blackmailing Pakistani government with a never ending to do list. PAF, I think, is not utterly dependent on these planes. Good if we get them through FMS (at least partially) or else we don't need them. The money needed for paying these planes has much better uses in home grown R&D related to JFT program.

 

[fitpOsitive]

If you get screwed out of this deal, it would be Americans who would be screwing you, not Indians. Indians would be just an excuse ,a cover, for Americans to back out of this deal.


No one except Jews (and that too because of Christian fundamentalists) could make USA go against its own interests. This deal has been defunded either because US wants more concessions from you or want you to pay full price.

I strongly believe Indians did'nt do it (and its not a troll)

 

[Super Falcon]

Blessing and disguise for us I'm in favour of deal to be blocked so our stupid PAF think tank get our of love dreams with F 16 no country buying them but we are

Market sales show RAFALE EURIFIGHTER MIG 35 SU 35 Sales

Hope we get out of mental block sooner the better

 

[ziaulislam]

Any thoughts on a replacement platform or are we going to wait for j31?
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probably second hand f-16s, or j-31, if economics all may be typhoon but a no-no in current economics. i dont think so mig25 or su 30s will be inducted. j-10s is also not an option unless a very good deal comes up

 

[araz]

Blessing and disguise for us I'm in favour of deal to be blocked so our stupid PAF think tank get our of love dreams with F 16 no country buying them but we are

Market sales show RAFALE EURIFIGHTER MIG 35 SU 35 Sales

Hope we get out of mental block sooner the better

With the current influence that US has over UK and its allies I dont think it would be prudent to go for EFT and you could potentially face the same problems that you did with the 16s. As to the red bear it would be going from the frying pan into the fire. Nothing other than the face will change. Our best bet is to develop the JFT with help from wherever we can get it and to wait for the J31.
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[Irfan Baloch]

Congress has the power to fund and defund any Federal program.

its US tax payer money after all and there are much better alternatives where it can be used.
e.g fund and instigate some "like minded" people in Iran to overthrow the Ayatullahs. or maybe aid the new strategic ally in its program to make greater Baluchistan victims being Iran and Pakistan its a win win situation.

 

[VCheng]

its US tax payer money after all and there are much better alternatives where it can be used.
e.g fund and instigate some "like minded" people in Iran to overthrow the Ayatullahs. or maybe aid the new strategic ally in its program to make greater Baluchistan victims being Iran and Pakistan its a win win situation.

There is plenty of money to fund any Federal programs the Congress wishes to fund. Or defund. That is the process.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

There is plenty of money to fund any Federal programs the Congress wishes to fund. Or defund. That is the process.

talking about funding ... how much congress have control over black programs? b black programs I mean the undercover / covert operations within the country and outside the country against both friendly and hostile countries?

I mean there must be an audit on revenue stream and its allocation and usage..? or is there an understood code of need to know for the sake of national security?

 

[cloud4000]

talking about funding ... how much congress have control over black programs? b black programs I mean the undercover / covert operations within the country and outside the country against both friendly and hostile countries?

I mean there must be an audit on revenue stream and its allocation and usage..? or is there an understood code of need to know for the sake of national security?

I recommend reading this article for some background:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...57bb78-10ab-11e3-8cdd-bcdc09410972_story.html

For fiscal year 2013, it was $52.6 billion alone. What exactly it's used for is classified, of course. It's possible the House and Senate Committees on Intelligence may know how it's being used, but not specifics.

 

[VCheng]

talking about funding ... how much congress have control over black programs? b black programs I mean the undercover / covert operations within the country and outside the country against both friendly and hostile countries?

I mean there must be an audit on revenue stream and its allocation and usage..? or is there an understood code of need to know for the sake of national security?

All such programs are overseen by Select Congressional Committees, with complete oversight and funding channels, with audits and accountability, Sir. Other covert programs that are run by agencies are not micromanaged, but are overseen and reported on regularly.

 

[HAIDER]

Anyway its beautiful bird...on 23rd March air pass.....

 

[waz]

It's their money what else can you say or do? Pakistan should simply pay up for the planes in full, like many other nations do.

 

[Basel]

It's their money what else can you say or do? Pakistan should simply pay up for the planes in full, like many other nations do.

It seems Pakistan want to use FMS money for F-16s because it is bonus purchase for PAF allowing more money for other projects, but if had to pay full for those jets then PAF may want to go for true 4.5+ gen plane which supersedes F-16s because funds will have to squeezed from other projects so new purchase should compensate those shortcomings too.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

So, it means that we have 430 mil left in USA.. is there any other way deal to utilize that money or they can just transfer 430 mil to GOP..

@Quwa @fatman17 @MastanKhan @Windjammer @Horus @Irfan Baloch @volatile @Bilal Khan 777 @ACE OF THE AIR @Bratva @Syed.Ali.Haider

money that can be used on US hardware only, CSF already transferred.