Pakistan may Purchase Chinese Surface-to-Air Missile System HQ-9

[Tipu7]

What if you, don't? I mean, you have never ever helped them in their previous conflicts, not even the latest, Kargil conflict.

Get over it.
How many times you want jaw breaking answer?

 

[Djinn]

What if you, don't? I mean, you have never ever helped them in their previous conflicts, not even the latest, Kargil conflict.

Priorities of nations, change all the time.

That's what you think. Pakistan does have military access to Chinese Beidou-II. China has always helped Pakistan and not just during wars but during standoffs as well and yes that includes 2001-2002 Indian war mongering antics at border as well. And what exactly are you trying prove here that with Indian imaginary weapons "Pakistan is doomed" ? Are you a 12 year old? Don't you think that Pakistan wont deploy a mix of SAM's to impose similar restrictions on Indian air force?

And what if Chinese will ? CPEC.... mate... think over it....

China already has,(He is only hoping that the world especially China move according to his wishes)
http://www.defensenews.com/story/de...na-finalize-8-sub-construction-plan/73634218/
In this article there is mention of Pakistan utilizing satellite access for military purposes.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

I can present many Indian and Russian sources too, if that satisfies you.
But, I thought you would best believe you own Newspapers than Indian ones.

http://thediplomat.com/2013/08/indias-missile-defense-is-the-game-worth-the-candle/

http://m.rediff.com/news/mar/26russi1.htm

http://missilethreat.com/russian-s-300-to-go-to-india/



Now that is Shore based Styx Missile .

This is a S300 Missile.

This shit is insulting to a rational mind .. Go moan somewhere else .. That's not a S-300... Even a child can understand the difference!

 

[BABA AGHORI]

And what if Chinese will ? CPEC.... mate... think over it....

India has 44+ billion dollar trade deficit with China, large enough for China to keep aside in case of conflict.

 

[帅的一匹]

India has 44+ billion dollar trade deficit with China, large enough for China to keep aside in case of conflict.

yes, thanks for your money. But money is not everything. HQ9 is just a SAM, not a attacking weapon. What's your worry?

 

[wasileo80]

These are Pakistani airbases.

Except Pasni airforcebase in Balochistan, each airbase is with in 400 km from Indian border.

90% of Pakistani airbases are within 300 Kms from India border.

If S400s are place 100 kms in Inside India border, along an axis parallel to Pakistan, as you claimed in your post.

Each and and every aircraft, taking off or landing on these bases, will be at a potential risk of being shot down.

For Babur to target S400 , Pakistan will need exact location of S 400 components because.

1. Because Babur is not a anti radiation missile.

2. Damage radius of a cruise missile like Babur is only couple of hundred meters.

It will hard to get exact location of S400 components.

1. Because Pakistani recon flights over S400 batteries, will be shot down.

2. S 400 is a mobile system, its component can quickly change their location.

3. Pakistan does not own any real time, imaging satellites.

Even if, Pakistan some how manages to get the exact co-ordinates of S400 components. 9M96 missiles of S 400 family has been specifically designed to engage low fly cruise missile.

Even if 9M96 missile fails to engage Babur , there is always Pantsir S1 point defense cannons, protecting S 400 components from low flying threats.



Where as my sources are not imaginary and can be presented to other posters.

Good one but you know you indians always missed many important key elements when you put your assets in India-Pakistan scenarios....

Where i said we will use our aircrafts to be fly first to be shot down????
Are you assuming that we are crazy that we put our air assets directly against S400?
First, not all Pakistan;s bases are in 400Km range if those S400 batteries are just on borders. Quetta base dosent come in 400 Km range same as dalbandene air field or other in KPK.

And obviously India will not put their S400 batteries on border it must put it approximately 100 Km away from border coz Pakistan artillary have this range.
And for Pakistan Early Warning assets have range more than 400 kms so they can detect your S400 batteries.

For Babur, Man why you forget that everything happens on intelligence basis and who tell you that if you deploy your S400 then Pakistan will not have its location by its intelligence.
And as you can move your TEL S400 so we cannot our Babur?

And next is to shot down Babur, first you have to track it where is babur. And on this prospective we build babur to evade radar detecion and missile defenses.
So dear i hope you understand that if India is working on the technologies that how its defenses can track and destroy the incoming threats, So we are developing our weapons on the same pattern that how those weapon systems can avade them.

So dont consider that babur will come state to your detection radar. Babur is design to evade radar detecion so how will you shot down Babur and also S400 is and surface to Air System not surface to surface that your S400 can destroy Babur TEL on ground.

So to shot down Babsur, babur has to be air borne and to be detected. And we are working on that to make babur more stealthy and to avoid radar detection.

And for satellites, for your kind information Pakistan and china are working together on this and china can exchange information with Pakistan anytime and about anything they pickup on indian side.

Also Pakistani drones can track and report back in a distance of 60 to 100 km distance and i know S400 radars cannot pick up this very short survilliance object.
I am sure you will get enough stuff now but despite all If you need more details do let me know.

And most important and above all where is S400? and on the basis of S400 you are claiming so many things....
So wait for S400 and when S400 will come into indian service, Pakistan will introduce many other weapon systems which can overrun S400 in terms of effectiveness.

India has 44+ billion dollar trade deficit with China, large enough for China to keep aside in case of conflict.

Com on what are you saying???? who told you that your 44+ billion dollar trade can keep china aside from its most close strategic partner in asia???

And dont you think that China will going to secure its trade with world throuh CPEC and wil give preference its trade with world over its trade with india....

 

[BABA AGHORI]

yes, thanks for your money. But money is not everything. HQ9 is just a SAM, not a attacking weapon. What's your worry?

We are not worried.. just helping some people understand there is no one stop solution in this world for everything.

Hard cash is not everything, but a big thing is this damn world.

Com on what are you saying???? who told you that your 44+ billion dollar trade can keep china aside from its most close strategic partner in asia???

And dont you think that China will going to secure its trade with world throuh CPEC and wil give preference its trade with world over its trade with india....

There is no close strategic partner thing in today's fast changing Geo politics ,,, just for reference 1999 Musshraf ph. calls were leaked when he was in China.
It's good that you have someone to bank upon. Better idea is to bank on oneself, it reduces the chances of surprise when one cannot afford it.


China is a big player no dout, 64 B$ in 15 - 20 years of investments that might get a return, and nearly 50 billion $ of hard cash year after year.... any sane businessman will find another viable route if the stakes are that high.

 

[Mutakalim]

In early 2000s , India bought 6 batteries(18 launchers) of S300 PMU2, for $1 billion, for ABM purposes, in a hush hush deal .

One and half decade down the line, Pakistan is considering, buying a Chinese variant of S 300.

When India is about to conclude a deal for 5 regiments (or 60 launchers) of S400 missiles.

For Pakistan to posses a Chinese copy of S400 ,China will have to first buy S400 , then copy it and then sell it to Pakistan.

Considering the time line, India would have long since moved on to S500 or another advanced SAM.

Okay kid you and your mighty supa pawa India wins. Happy. By the way we are still waiting your response after Mumbai attacks. Your super duper vedic technology is useless if you cant take revenge of your countrymen.

 

[vizier]

It would also be a good addition to have a couple or more of semi-mobile VHF aesa early warning radars. It may not be accurate to guide the missiles but has some advantages like long range and early warning to que other systems and in my opinion sort of lpi capability.

-Since even the long wavelength radar needs huge processing to pinpoint targets old rwrs and emitter locators aiming at x band on small uavs or fighters would have a harder time locating the radar for a harm attack or jamming based on their passive sensors.
-Currently employed measures like frequency hopping and scan pattern can increase the lpi of early warning vhf radar.

Then when most of the enemy targets are within HQ9-S300 range inside the perimeter the radars of HQ9 can open(or can shift from lpi irregular scan-off mode to normal scan-on mode without much on-off time delay) and start scanning and tracking of these targets shooting them down in batches like a trap. After each salvo shot these radars locations would be known so positions should be shifted.

As you would buy these to safeguard your assets like airbases and nuclear sites it would certainly have a deterrant effect against surprise airstrikes on your facilities.

 

[monitor]

I know that right now it is not possible and that is why I am saying that it should inducted after 2020 and before 2030 because until then our economy would be much better due to which we would be able to build a strong layer of air defenses and then we can induct HQ-19.

HQ-9 has not much to do with S-300 but with MIM-104 as China got its hands on the technology of MIM-104. HQ-9 is superior to S-300 and if you don't believe me then here is the proof in Turkish T-LORAMIDS program Turkey rejected MIM-104, Aster and S-300 over HQ-9 despite having more than enough money for other air defence systems.

I don't have any doubt about the quality of HQ-9 but reasons for Turkey choosing it over western and Russian as China offered more technology tranafer then her western counterpart.

On topic Pakistan need to take aggressive step to counter Indian growing ABM and A defense capabilities.

 

[_NOBODY_]

I don't have any doubt about the quality of HQ-9 but reasons for Turkey choosing it over western and Russian as China offered more technology transfer then her western counterpart.

China refused TOT which is one of the main reasons for Turkey's refusal of HQ-9.

 

[Djinn]

On topic Pakistan need to take aggressive step to counter Indian growing ABM and A defense capabilities.

Firstly the efficacy of a BMD in Indo-Pak scenario is highly dubious, prime factor being short distance. Hypothetically speaking, if Indian BMD has 100% kill ratio then the best solution for Pakistan is to rely on missile aids which even the most sophisticated BMD's cant handle. Mirv's, Marv's, Chaffs, decoys and now the almost impossible hypersonic vehicles. BTW FD-2000 has a range of 200km which is more than sufficient to repel IAF. For Pakistan the options are many, it's another issue that children on this forum love to fight cyber wars like........."S-400 will make Pakistan a no fly zone", "IAF will take care of Pakistan's defense systems", "India will destroy Pakistani ballistic missiles blah blah blah and India will emerge as SUPER POWER of the entire freaking world".

 

[Jhon Smith]

Does Iran has its own system or its Chines? do u know?
IRAN HAVE RUSSIAN S300 AND CHINESE HQ9 MOBILE SAM MISSILES AND NEBO STEALTH RADARS?? or Home made system??

If any1 knows plz reply thanks!

 

[Photon]

This shit is insulting to a rational mind .. Go moan somewhere else .. That's not a S-300... Even a child can understand the difference!

Ohh yeah , then what is it?

You don't believe the sources, even the Pakistani ones, forget about the Russian and Indian sources.

You don't believe the pictures, claim they are styx missile and are proven wrong.

I guess the only child here, is you, for you are too stubborn to accept your mistakes.

Okay kid you and your mighty supa pawa India wins. Happy. By the way we are still waiting your response after Mumbai attacks. Your super duper vedic technology is useless if you cant take revenge of your countrymen.

I guess, you have been getting, Indian response to Mumbai attacks on a monthly basis since 2008.

And what if Chinese will ? CPEC.... mate... think over it....

If they do, it will be a somewhat even playing field, as far as reconnaissance is concerned, as India already has dozens of remote sensing satellites.

But what if, they don't have you ever thought about that ? What are you going to do then?

 

[Aijaz Narejo]

I was waiting for it