Pakistan may acquire 'air defence system' from Thales

[Imran Khan]

we are reading air defence since decades but not a single long range missile entered pakistna yet

 

[Zarvan]

Bro that's two extreme ends of the equation. It's going to depend on exactly who - i.e. Army, Air Force, or Navy - is talking to Thales.

While not perfect, Pakistan's overland air defence coverage is steadily taking shape thanks to the HQ-16, which could potentially even be scaled up to the HQ-16B for high-medium/low-long-range coverage.

On the other hand, there's no modern air defence system in place at sea, which (in the absence of constant fighter coverage) puts our submarines at risk of Indian Poseidon MPAs monitoring (and possibly even attacking) from above.

The Thales SMART-S Mk2 and MBDA CAMM would be mightily helpful at sea. Granted, the CAMM and Aster-30 aren't Thales products, but Thales is a lead contractor of sorts too when given the task to construct an air defence system (i.e. it'd hand jobs out to MBDA or Raytheon, depending on your selection).

I know one is short range and one is long range and also other differences but what I know is we are looking for both I mean short range and long range and we were interested in Aster 30 but as we are also looking for one short range one that is why I said it could be starstreak I don't see the chance of the of third product from thales.

Interesting development however remains to be seen what we will get , Rapid fire seemed like a lovely idea

Nice addition

Nope I think for rapid fire we would get Turkish ones. I mean these

 

[Gryphon]

It's going to depend on exactly who - i.e. Army, Air Force, or Navy - is talking to Thales.

While not perfect, Pakistan's overland air defence coverage is steadily taking shape thanks to the HQ-16, which could potentially even be scaled up to the HQ-16B for high-medium/low-long-range coverage.

According to H Khan (18 February 2016), Pakistan had completed the feasibility of incorporating FM-90 SAM with Chinese CIWS for its Army.




It appears PA has now decided to buy CIWS from Thales (RAPIDFire) instead of the 'Chinese CIWS'.

 

[monitor]

Media outlet reports possible air defence deal between Pakistan and Thales
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Abhinandan Mishra of the Sunday Guardian Live has reported that the French electronics giant Thales is in talks to sell an air defence system to Pakistan.

Citing an unnamed source, Mishra writes, “an ‘in-principle’ deal was … approved between the Pakistan government and Thales to provide air defence system to Pakistan, which will be designed keeping the ‘India threat’ in mind.”

Notes & Comments:

The prospect of Pakistan dealing with Thales is plausible considering that Thales still considers Pakistan an attainable market for its solutions, hence its participation at the 2016 International Defence Exhibition and Seminar (IDEAS) in Karachi in November. As per IHS Jane’s, Pakistan could spend $12 billion U.S. over the next eight years on arms procurement; although small in comparison to India, the outlay can still be a lucrative revenue pool for some vendors, including the likes of Thales and MBDA.

Although Mishra’s report is not yet verified, it should be noted that Pakistan’s agreements to negotiate – i.e. ‘letters-of-understanding’ (LoUs) – have generally been, at least during IDEAS, opaque and low-key.

For example, the LoU between Pakistan Ordnance Factories and Česká Zbrojovka does not detail the exact specifics of what POF is negotiating for in terms of small arms. Likewise, the attention surrounding that LoU has been quiet in comparison to the final agreements, i.e. memoranda-of-understanding (MoU), signed by Heavy Industries Taxila and Pakistan Aeronautical Complex with Ukraine and France, respectively.

In other words, Mishra’s report is certainly plausible considering the circumstances. In terms of the nature of what Pakistan could be pursuing from Thales, that is not known.

The “India threat” element indicates that the solution would be channeled to strengthen Pakistan’s capacity for addressing external conventional threats.

Thales’ air defence product catalogue comprises of the following:

• GROUND Master-200 and Master-400 air surveillance radars;
• RAPID very short-range air defence (VSHORAD) systems;
• SKYVIEW C4I system;
• SHIELD air defence system, can be integrated with various third-party solutions;
• STAR SHORAD and VSHORAD system;
• CONTROL air defence management system.

Pakistan’s air defence requirements could land any one – or multiple – of those areas, hence it is difficult to determine the probable scope of its dealings with Thales. It will be worth observing exactly which one of Pakistan’s service arms is negotiating with Thales. For example, in the case of the Pakistan Army, then the focus could be on SHORAD and VSHORAD solutions, particularly mobile systems to defend armoured formations or forward bases, respectively. If it is the Pakistan Air Force, the scope could be focused on finding a successor to the Siemens MPDR. If Thales is dealing with the Pakistan Navy, then the focus could be on sensor and command and control systems for use on an existing or future surface warship. An air defence solution beyond SHORAD would necessitate a munitions vendor such as MBDA.

Post-Note:

With the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) searching for a helmet-mounted display and sight (HMD/S) system for the JF-17 Thunder, the prospect of the Thales TopOwl-F being a choice is plausible. Currently, China does not have a marketable HMD/S product (though a system for the FC-31 is under development). There are scarcely few other options available on the market at this time other than the Thales TopOwl-F and, less plausibly, the BAE Striker II. An open channel with Thales could be a factor in this respect.

 

[ziaulislam]

Bro that's two extreme ends of the equation. It's going to depend on exactly who - i.e. Army, Air Force, or Navy - is talking to Thales.

While not perfect, Pakistan's overland air defence coverage is steadily taking shape thanks to the HQ-16, which could potentially even be scaled up to the HQ-16B for high-medium/low-long-range coverage.

On the other hand, there's no modern air defence system in place at sea, which (in the absence of constant fighter coverage) puts our submarines at risk of Indian Poseidon MPAs monitoring (and possibly even attacking) from above.

The Thales SMART-S Mk2 and MBDA CAMM would be mightily helpful at sea. Granted, the CAMM and Aster-30 aren't Thales products, but Thales is a lead contractor of sorts too when given the task to construct an air defence system (i.e. it'd hand jobs out to MBDA or Raytheon, depending on your selection).

we need a system that could be mass produced and thus adopted by airforce, navy and army something at scale of 70-90km
its not good idea to buy a few SAM systems for medium covergae we need broader coverage

if you want long coverage and few SAMs than off the shelf is good idea but for medium and very short range we need something home built, india did it with its akash system

 

[fanna4paf2]

 

[ZAC1]

kuch lia bi hai ?

 

[Hassan Guy]

Thats good, we should do that.

 

[Basel]

AD system could refer to AD radar systems, CIWS or V-SHORADS. However, there were rumours that Pakistan was interested in ThalesRaytheonSystems’ GM200.

@Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Bilal Khan 777 @Windjammer @Oscar @Horus @Manticore

Is it replacement of our old MPDRs??? Which are long due.

 

[Mo12]

Dont think France would do such a thing, the government will clearly block such a deal.

 

[Hassan Guy]

Dont think France would do such a thing, the government will clearly block such a deal.

?????


Why?

 

[Riz]

?????


Why?

Because our enemy will wet there pants and then all Pakistan will drown...lol

 

[Awan68]

Dont think France would do such a thing, the government will clearly block such a deal.

Clearly u dont know the french, they are regarded by the yanks as rats of europe who leak sensitive tech, lol, they will sell anything if the money is right, dont forget, pakistans initial nuclear knowhow came from france...

 

[cabatli_53]

I know one is short range and one is long range and also other differences but what I know is we are looking for both I mean short range and long range and we were interested in Aster 30 but as we are also looking for one short range one that is why I said it could be starstreak I don't see the chance of the of third product from thales.


Nope I think for rapid fire we would get Turkish ones. I mean these

According to latest MSI magazine, Korkut CIWS will be tested in Pakistan.

@ziya

 

[Yaseen1]

Pakistan should develop its own air defence system.Nasar missile should be coverted to land to air version.