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Pakistan government to betray all, Resumption of Nato Supplies by May 17!

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Well how far back do you want to go. It was Americans who pushed Britain to give Indians independence.

Roosevelt repeatedly brought the need for Indian independence to Churchill's attention

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1971 was before 1947, when India got freedom, what are you trying to say?

Well they got themselves into this tangle and made a big deal about it. You continuously point out that Pakistan would regret closing routes. Well maybe Americans are now regretting the situation that they find themselves
Why then is Pakistan opening the routes now? It is simple, the economy or atleast the Army is dependent upon America too, and yeah the headache's U.S taking Pakistan's help and vice-versa is proving costly for both sides..
 
1971 was before 1947, when India got freedom, what are you trying to say?

Simple Indian post suggested that Pakistan owed its existence to America as Nixon told India that West Pakistan was a red line. So I went further back and showed that it was at the suggestions of American president to Churchill that India should be afforded independence. So you could say on that India owed its existence to America
 
Has anyone noticed... since the supplies are stopped, the terrorism inside Pakistan has been reduced to a phenomenal level?
This means that the terrorism stuff was getting supplied through the NATO supplies destroying our country and the region too.......:smokin:
 
Why we open their supplies. These trucks,6, 8 wheelers are dangerous for our road from Karachi to Peshawar.
In return, we will see our roads are being effected(wear and tear) from Tons of Load carrying for Nato supply.:argh:
 
One has to remember that despite having very different ideas on how to achieve something and unproven speculations of fringe motivations accorded to each sides, the goals of America and Pakistan align on more things on the WoT than differ.

Pakistan views Talibanistic thought as an enemy, we in Pakistan love our culture, our modernism and the certain liberties that it accords us that won't be compatible with someone so backward as Taliban. We don't necessarily militarily oppose Taliban due to lack of resources, potential of benefit in keeping India out of Afghanistan, but we oppose them in every other way. Remember we didn't join the war without thinking that this would mean an end to the future of Taliban as it existed way back in the 90s. We wanted it. Let's be clear on that, not even 1% of Pakistanis would want the type of country where the religious police mandates the kind of life that is associated with living under the Taliban.

We didn't want it ever for Afghanistan either.

Now military aspects are of course different. The war has unfortunately brought in a very narrow minded people to power in Afghanistan who cannot separate the military aspect of our support to the Taliban as a counter measure to India, and our moral and ethical disapproval of them. With much regret, the Americans and the Afghans are over stretching our association with them and ignoring that if India was removed from this equation our one and only goal would be to remove the Taliban as well. We played our part very well for the first 5 years when Indian meddling wasn't that high. It quickly changed as the war effort suddenly saw the emergence of a militant organization as the BLA.

India is a part of it, due to the narrow mindedness of both Americans and the Afghan people. They are even promoting India's meddling and covering for them. There are petty gains for them in doing so, none of which relate to this war effort.

There is some internal schizophrenia within the American way of thinking. Either they can win this war on terror by supporting Pakistan's only wish to not have India give militant support within Pakistan or they can prop up India as a countermeasure to China.

We need to be clear, that in all other cases, we support the United States as its goals do not differ from us. By closing the supply route to them we hurt the war effort which ultimately hurts one of our goals. On our part we believe (with good reason) that this terrorism problem can be handled through diplomatic channels with the Taliban groups. Many non-aggression pacts have been holding for several years now. But that doesn't mean if given the chance we wouldn't spread modern civilization to the Taliban groups and their controlled areas. We don't like their culture, their Islamist ideals. We stand by our ideals, which are very similar to the average American.

As a two people who have been victims of poor decision making, and a vicious cycle of one-upmanship and subtle manipulations, we have to wise up to this and wise up to revising our relationship. As a first step America must open the way, it has to try to make things workable between us.

It apologizes, we open the route.

It moves against Indians, we move against Haqqanis.

The future must be looked as the future of the war that was started, not the geopolitics and interests of the US and Pakistan that have emerged today. From how things were and felt 10 years ago, we still believe in those same causes.
 
feel sorry for ppp ... on the right temple NATO is pointing a gun on the left the pakistani military .... they are cant move left or right , What would you do members ???
Improve governance and implement some obvious reforms that would negate the need for US Aid ...
 
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The future must be looked as the future of the war that was started, not the geopolitics and interests of the US and Pakistan that have emerged today. From how things were and felt 10 years ago, we still believe in those same causes.

Yes, but nothing in international geopolitics is ever static. Whatever geopolitics and interests that have emerged today cannot be wished away by a simple "reset" as easily as that.
 
Yes, but nothing in international geopolitics is ever static. Whatever geopolitics and interests that have emerged today cannot be wished away by a simple "reset" as easily as that.

:rofl: Tell me Cheng do you have some standard set lines that are relatively meaningless and can be used in lots of threads?
 
Wiggle just a little exactly so that they shoot each other? :P

good idea .. GOP is in a duel situation , wigle or drop let em deal with each other and join up with last man standing
 
Great PPP government :tup: Best government of Pakistan :woot:
 
Simple Indian post suggested that Pakistan owed its existence to America as Nixon told India that West Pakistan was a red line. So I went further back and showed that it was at the suggestions of American president to Churchill that India should be afforded independence. So you could say on that India owed its existence to America
You obviously were trolling. After all Indian and Pakistani independence was not due to anyone particularly. You are going off-topic, what value that suggestion means is always debatable, just in another thread :)
 
good idea .. GOP is in a duel situation , wigle or drop let em deal with each other and join up with last man standing

And that is probably what is happening too! ;)
 
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