specifically i was talking about PN's budget which i think is a little over 500$ million which is not much.so well we can buy surface ship but our priority should be subs.and well U boats are a lost cause not only because now Germany has many orders but also due to our political preference of french subs.
Pakistan gets second F22-P frigate PNS Shamsheer
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your figures of the naval budget are wrong(though it may be operational costs) not asset precurement budget.If a deal for U boats is struck i believe it will be some where b/w 1.5 to 2 billion dollars worth of deal.
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idk it might be as you said.because well there are two budgets of Navy.However the point is that we should make Subs a top priority.And Unfortunately we have not much options beside U boats.because few countries make such advanced conventional submarines.
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Hi,
The submarines are like a stealth bomber---diesel aip's are not the answer to every problem---navy has to have a visible force being displayed on the surface---you can't have your sub pop up behind a foeign fishing trawler or a pirate ship.
The diesel's are also limited to their ability to stay submerged---not all confrontations are do or die issues---not all confrontations are massive in scale that you would need your sub to make a strike---sometimes you just need a probe, a push, a nudge or just a visible show of force---. Once the sub is exposed in hostile environment, its survivability reduces multifolds
Now talking about the american nuc subs---I am not even talking about the currenty virginia class---but the previous seawolf class, travelling at 20 knots submerged were quiter than the older los angeles class subs sitting in the port.
Remember---you don't use the .50 calibre barret to do the job which can be done by the .308
The submarines are like a stealth bomber---diesel aip's are not the answer to every problem---navy has to have a visible force being displayed on the surface---you can't have your sub pop up behind a foeign fishing trawler or a pirate ship.
The diesel's are also limited to their ability to stay submerged---not all confrontations are do or die issues---not all confrontations are massive in scale that you would need your sub to make a strike---sometimes you just need a probe, a push, a nudge or just a visible show of force---. Once the sub is exposed in hostile environment, its survivability reduces multifolds
Now talking about the american nuc subs---I am not even talking about the currenty virginia class---but the previous seawolf class, travelling at 20 knots submerged were quiter than the older los angeles class subs sitting in the port.
Remember---you don't use the .50 calibre barret to do the job which can be done by the .308
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Congratulations to PN and to Pakistan
Many thanks to the Chinese
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Date Posted: 22-Dec-2009
Jane's Defence Weekly
Pakistan commissions second Sword-class frigate
Tim Fish Jane's Naval Reporter - London
A second Sword-class (F-22P) frigate for the Pakistan Navy was commissioned on 19 December in Shanghai following the completion of sea trials.
PNS Shamsheer is one of three F-22P units built by Chinese shipbuilder Hudong-Zhonghua to a modified Jiangwei II (Type 053H3) design under an agreement between Islamabad and Beijing signed in April 2005.
The procurement contract for the four 2,250-ton frigates includes six Z-9EC helicopters and is worth an estimated USD750 million.
Ship four is being built indigenously by Karachi Shipyard and Engineering Works under a technology transfer agreement. The as-yet-unnamed ship was laid down on 10 December 2009.
First-of-class PNS Zulfiquar was inducted into the Pakistan Navy in September. Ship three, Saif , was launched in May and is expected to be commissioned in 2010. A second batch of ships is anticipated.
Date Posted: 22-Dec-2009
Jane's Defence Weekly
Pakistan commissions second Sword-class frigate
Tim Fish Jane's Naval Reporter - London
A second Sword-class (F-22P) frigate for the Pakistan Navy was commissioned on 19 December in Shanghai following the completion of sea trials.
PNS Shamsheer is one of three F-22P units built by Chinese shipbuilder Hudong-Zhonghua to a modified Jiangwei II (Type 053H3) design under an agreement between Islamabad and Beijing signed in April 2005.
The procurement contract for the four 2,250-ton frigates includes six Z-9EC helicopters and is worth an estimated USD750 million.
Ship four is being built indigenously by Karachi Shipyard and Engineering Works under a technology transfer agreement. The as-yet-unnamed ship was laid down on 10 December 2009.
First-of-class PNS Zulfiquar was inducted into the Pakistan Navy in September. Ship three, Saif , was launched in May and is expected to be commissioned in 2010. A second batch of ships is anticipated.
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The F-22P or Sword class frigate is a 2,500t multi-mission, conventionally powered frigate built for the Pakistan Navy. Design and construction of the F-22P started after a $750m deal was signed in 2005 between Pakistan's Ministry of Defence Production (MoDP) and China Shipbuilding Trading Co (CSTC).
The deal involved an order for construction of four F-22P frigates for the Pakistan Navy's fleet. The deal included an order for four to six Harbin Z-9EC helicopters and ammunition for the frigates. The first of the frigates, PNS Zulifqar, was delivered in September 2009.
The second and third frigates are currently under construction at Shanghai's Hudong Zhonghua Shipyard, where PNS Zulifqar was built. The second frigate was launched in October 2008. The frigate will be named PNS Shamsheer and is scheduled for delivery in January 2010.
The third frigate was launched in May 2008 and is expected to be delivered in the third quarter of 2010. It will be named PNS Saif. The fourth unnamed frigate is being built at Karachi Shipyard and Engineering Works under a technology transfer agreement signed with China. It is expected to be delivered by 2013.
"The F-22P frigates will bolster the Pakistan Navy's fleet and improve its fighting capabilities."The addition of the F-22P frigates will bolster the Pakistan Navy's fleet and improve its fighting capabilities. The fleet already includes six Amazon-class frigates and Karachi-built Jalalat-class guided missile patrol craft. However, the fleet does not include destroyers and the limited number of ships has stopped the navy providing a safe environment for maritime activity.
The main roles of the frigates will include air defence of a force operating at sea or in convoy, interdiction of hostile surface combatants, commerce raiding, patrolling, protection of the exclusive economic zone (EEZ) and undertaking heliborn operations.
The F-22P frigates are also expected to improve the country's indigenous shipbuilding potential, as the fourth ship is being built at Karachi Shipyard.
Design
The F-22P frigate is an updated model of the type 053H3 or Jiangwei-class frigate built by China since the 1990s. The F-22P's hull contains China's type 054 frigate's radar cross-section reduction, which helps prevent detection by radars mounted on other ships, aircraft and anti-ship missiles.
The frigates can operate in multi-threat environments and are equipped with long-range surface-to-surface and surface-to-air missiles, which are capable of attacking multiple targets simultaneously. They are also equipped with under-sea sensors that can detect nuclear and conventional submarines at long range. Powered by four main diesel engines, the F-22P frigate can accommodate about 200 personnel.
The frigates have long-range sensors, navigational radars and trackers, sonars, electronic warfare systems, counter measures (ESM/ECM) systems and advanced command and control systems.
Weapons
F-22P frigates are equipped with a single 76.2mm main gun, eight C-802/CSS-N-8 sub-sonic Saccade anti-ship missiles, an eight-round FM-90 surface-to-air missile (SAM) and two hangar-top type 730B 30mm close-in weapon system (CIWS) units. They also feature RDC-32 anti-submarine rockets, two triple ET-52C torpedo tubes, state-of-the-art homing weapon systems and depth charges.
"Powered by its four main diesel engines, the F-22P frigate can accommodate about 200 personnel."The main gun was developed in China and is based on the Russian AK-176M. The Chinese variant contains a redesigned stealth turret to reduce radar cross-section. The gun can engage other ships and aircraft and defend against anti-ship missiles.
The anti-ship C-802 subsonic surface-to-surface missiles are carried in two containers with four cells each, installed between the main deck and the hangar. The two containers can also carry CY series anti-submarine rockets and be loaded with anti-ship and anti-submarine weapons.
The FM-90N SAM system is installed between the main deck and main gun. The system has eight cells containing one missile each. The system is set up on a mount that can be lifted in the direction of the threat. The FM-90N can engage different targets by using different guidance modes. These targets can even include supersonic and sub-sonic sea-skimming missiles. The system is also designed to engage small targets such as unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV).
The 730B CIWS is fitted on the aircraft hangar and contains two seven-barrel Gatling guns of 30mm calibre. The CIWS employs type 347G radar and an OFC-3 electro-optic director. It can also be equipped with the FL-3000N fire-and-forget missile system by fitting up to two single-round FL-3000N launchers on each CIWS gun mount.
Aircraft
Each of the F-22P frigates will carry Z9EC anti-submarine helicopters. Two Z9EC helicopters have already been delivered to Pakistan. The helicopters are fitted with surface-search radar, Doppler navigation systems and radar warning receivers. They also features low-frequency dipping sonar and torpedoes. Small aerials on their roofs provide over-the-horizon targeting for C-802 anti-ship missiles
The deal involved an order for construction of four F-22P frigates for the Pakistan Navy's fleet. The deal included an order for four to six Harbin Z-9EC helicopters and ammunition for the frigates. The first of the frigates, PNS Zulifqar, was delivered in September 2009.
The second and third frigates are currently under construction at Shanghai's Hudong Zhonghua Shipyard, where PNS Zulifqar was built. The second frigate was launched in October 2008. The frigate will be named PNS Shamsheer and is scheduled for delivery in January 2010.
The third frigate was launched in May 2008 and is expected to be delivered in the third quarter of 2010. It will be named PNS Saif. The fourth unnamed frigate is being built at Karachi Shipyard and Engineering Works under a technology transfer agreement signed with China. It is expected to be delivered by 2013.
"The F-22P frigates will bolster the Pakistan Navy's fleet and improve its fighting capabilities."The addition of the F-22P frigates will bolster the Pakistan Navy's fleet and improve its fighting capabilities. The fleet already includes six Amazon-class frigates and Karachi-built Jalalat-class guided missile patrol craft. However, the fleet does not include destroyers and the limited number of ships has stopped the navy providing a safe environment for maritime activity.
The main roles of the frigates will include air defence of a force operating at sea or in convoy, interdiction of hostile surface combatants, commerce raiding, patrolling, protection of the exclusive economic zone (EEZ) and undertaking heliborn operations.
The F-22P frigates are also expected to improve the country's indigenous shipbuilding potential, as the fourth ship is being built at Karachi Shipyard.
Design
The F-22P frigate is an updated model of the type 053H3 or Jiangwei-class frigate built by China since the 1990s. The F-22P's hull contains China's type 054 frigate's radar cross-section reduction, which helps prevent detection by radars mounted on other ships, aircraft and anti-ship missiles.
The frigates can operate in multi-threat environments and are equipped with long-range surface-to-surface and surface-to-air missiles, which are capable of attacking multiple targets simultaneously. They are also equipped with under-sea sensors that can detect nuclear and conventional submarines at long range. Powered by four main diesel engines, the F-22P frigate can accommodate about 200 personnel.
The frigates have long-range sensors, navigational radars and trackers, sonars, electronic warfare systems, counter measures (ESM/ECM) systems and advanced command and control systems.
Weapons
F-22P frigates are equipped with a single 76.2mm main gun, eight C-802/CSS-N-8 sub-sonic Saccade anti-ship missiles, an eight-round FM-90 surface-to-air missile (SAM) and two hangar-top type 730B 30mm close-in weapon system (CIWS) units. They also feature RDC-32 anti-submarine rockets, two triple ET-52C torpedo tubes, state-of-the-art homing weapon systems and depth charges.
"Powered by its four main diesel engines, the F-22P frigate can accommodate about 200 personnel."The main gun was developed in China and is based on the Russian AK-176M. The Chinese variant contains a redesigned stealth turret to reduce radar cross-section. The gun can engage other ships and aircraft and defend against anti-ship missiles.
The anti-ship C-802 subsonic surface-to-surface missiles are carried in two containers with four cells each, installed between the main deck and the hangar. The two containers can also carry CY series anti-submarine rockets and be loaded with anti-ship and anti-submarine weapons.
The FM-90N SAM system is installed between the main deck and main gun. The system has eight cells containing one missile each. The system is set up on a mount that can be lifted in the direction of the threat. The FM-90N can engage different targets by using different guidance modes. These targets can even include supersonic and sub-sonic sea-skimming missiles. The system is also designed to engage small targets such as unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV).
The 730B CIWS is fitted on the aircraft hangar and contains two seven-barrel Gatling guns of 30mm calibre. The CIWS employs type 347G radar and an OFC-3 electro-optic director. It can also be equipped with the FL-3000N fire-and-forget missile system by fitting up to two single-round FL-3000N launchers on each CIWS gun mount.
Aircraft
Each of the F-22P frigates will carry Z9EC anti-submarine helicopters. Two Z9EC helicopters have already been delivered to Pakistan. The helicopters are fitted with surface-search radar, Doppler navigation systems and radar warning receivers. They also features low-frequency dipping sonar and torpedoes. Small aerials on their roofs provide over-the-horizon targeting for C-802 anti-ship missiles
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