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Oh Damn those pesky Americans. I believe this is why PAF is requesting 1.5 billion $ for J-10, as quoted by H Khan of pakdef.

What I understood was that the money has been assured but the platform is still undecided.18 F16 bl.52 will be around 1.3 billion$.US might sweeten things by releasing some older planes foR MLU.What this means for future FC20 deal is still not clear. I think the engine issue maybe a big one for us.
Araz
 
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What I understood was that the money has been assured but the platform is still undecided.18 F16 bl.52 will be around 1.3 billion$.US might sweeten things by releasing some older planes foR MLU.What this means for future FC20 deal is still not clear. I think the engine issue maybe a big one for us.
Araz

Two possible reasons, delay in release of funds to AFFDP or the issue on WS-10.
 
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Viper Driver Flying Hours

Wg.Cmd. Umer "Archer" Rasheed

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Name Wg.Cmd. Umer "Archer" Rasheed
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Flying F-16s from 2002
Viper Hours 2200



F-16 Flying Hours
2,000 Hours #524 on the 2K list
Unit 11th squadron "Arrows" [Unit History]
Date 7 February 2013
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1,000 Hours #2259 on the 1K list
Unit 11th squadron "Arrows" [Unit History]
Date 9 September 2008
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F-16 Service Life.

Service life, just like maneuver limits, is what ever the customer specifies. If the USAF asks (and pays) for an 8,000 hour F-16, that is what General Dynamics and Lockheed Martin will sell to them. An airplane does not have a longer service life because it has structural improvement. It has improved structure because the USAF wanted longer service life. In other words, the requirement comes first, then the structure is designed to meet the requirement, the same as for g limits.

Another point about service life is the design life is tied to a design usage. For example, the F-16 8000 hour life is only guaranteed if the airplane is flown according to the design usage. The design usage is a highly detailed spec of mission types (air to air, air to ground, ferry, FCF, CAP, etc. (11 different types if I remember right)), mission segments (TO, climb, cruise, descent, etc.), external store loading, mach/altitude, load factor, blah blah. This design usage spectrum is randomized and applied to the structural analysis of durability-critical structure and to a durability laboratory test of a full scale airframe. For an 8000 hour life, the analysis and test is for 16000 hours, which is a durability ground rule (Service Life = 1/2 of analysis and test).

The usage of every USAF (and some others also) F-16 is monitored during its lifetime and compared to the design usage, so that inspection intervals can be established. If the usage is more severe than design, inspection intervals are shorter and vice versa.
The original design usage spec (1975) was weighted toward air to air usage, but when the usage tracking data began to come in, it was found that actual usage was heavily air to ground. Some airplane components (wing hardpoints, landing gear for example) were more heavily loaded as a result, so their inspection intervals had to be shortened. So the basic idea is that if you use the airplane in a more severe way than it is designed, it won't last as long (just like you and me!).

All of this actual usage data was then used for analysis and test of later blocks of the F-16.

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Two possible reasons, delay in release of funds to AFFDP or the issue on WS-10.

Maybe the capabilities on offer. we are broke and there is no debating that but the real million dollar question is what the comparative analysis is of the equipment on offer. The lockmart team have previously boasted that they have never lost out on a fair competition .
Araz
 
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the 2 congressional approvals the ACM is hinting at are;

1. approval by Bush admn to release 28 F-16A/B to PK - 14 delivered, 14 pending.....
2. approval by Bush admn to sell 36 F-16C/D to PK - 18 delivered, option for 18 not utilized at that time. what is the status of this option for 18 additional is open to debate.

finally will the Obama admn honour these committments....
 
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the 2 congressional approvals the ACM is hinting at are;

1. approval by Bush admn to release 28 F-16A/B to PK - 14 delivered, 14 pending.....
2. approval by Bush admn to sell 36 F-16C/D to PK - 18 delivered, option for 18 not utilized at that time. what is the status of this option for 18 additional is open to debate.



finally will the Obama admn honour these committments....

and why so sir ? why not j-10b ? USA is leaving afg next year and we all know what next
 
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and why so sir ? why not j-10b ? USA is leaving afg next year and we all know what next

he he he mamoo salaam & eid mubarak :D

well USA is not going to leave afghanistan and they have clarriefied it and they are onli down sizing there force there as now they have land and carrier based drones to keep a grip on tallibunies :)
 
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and why so sir ? why not j-10b ? USA is leaving afg next year and we all know what next

the reason is paf loves f 16s and j 10 b have engine issues and paf is not satisfied with it so they may go for more f16s from uncle sam
 
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the 2 congressional approvals the ACM is hinting at are;

1. approval by Bush admn to release 28 F-16A/B to PK - 14 delivered, 14 pending.....
2. approval by Bush admn to sell 36 F-16C/D to PK - 18 delivered, option for 18 not utilized at that time. what is the status of this option for 18 additional is open to debate.

finally will the Obama admn honour these committments....


Same as i mentioned earlier. But Congress has limited time as it's members are re-elected. Which means, as Obama has been there for already 5 years, the previous Congressional approval might have expired (As it was granted in 2006, which is 7 years ago.) However, if Pakistan can come up with 1.5-2 billion $ and hang it infront of Lockheed Martin, then Lockheed Martin will do the job of getting the congress to approve. :azn:
 
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he he he mamoo salaam & eid mubarak :D

well USA is not going to leave afghanistan and they have clarriefied it and they are onli down sizing there force there as now they have land and carrier based drones to keep a grip on tallibunies :)
for drones they need pakistani help ? they use stealth drones over pakistan years and no one notice them in our open sky .
 
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for drones they need pakistani help ? they use stealth drones over pakistan years and no one notice them in our open sky .

well bhai jaan the tech has improoved manyfold now and now they have capabillity to strike anywhere in afghanistan from there carriers in persian gulf sureli they will give you a squad or two of there surplus and obsolete F 16s in a way its good for us if you know what i mean ;)
 
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the reason is paf loves f 16s and j 10 b have engine issues and paf is not satisfied with it so they may go for more f16s from uncle sam

wait and see boss soon we have hard time for parts from uncle sam

well bhai jaan the tech has improoved manyfold now and now they have capabillity to strike anywhere in afghanistan from there carriers in persian gulf sureli they will give you a squad or two of there surplus and obsolete F 16s in a way its good for us if you know what i mean ;)

the question is why should they ? as we all know US did nothing for charity .
 
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and why so sir ? why not j-10b ? USA is leaving afg next year and we all know what next

Known platform, in service, complete infrastructure and logistics pilots already Trained and taking the Training.

J-10B Engine is far from certified for the optimum levels PAF wants, platform is not matured, extra funds would require to established complete from the scratch infrastructure, training of the ground and air crew it would relatively take longer time to familiarize with the platform. Thought you knew that.

What do we lose we already have 63 of them if any sanctions are to affect they'll be affect all 63 not just the ones PAF is looking into possibly.

You inquiry is genuine but that is what PAF should have done post "nau giyarah" only the numbers in service around 45 should have been upgrade the rest of money should have gone to some other platform you can only complain from PAF but decision makers are sitting up there.
 
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