Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[alimobin memon]

Sir,

Seems like there is error in your post----the 85% capability is in comparison to the first BLK of F16's we got and not the BLK52.

Lolx u are wrong

 

[hatf IX]

Lolx u are wrong

MAN you have thrown a stone in BEE COMB

 

[Imran Khan]

MAN you have thrown a stone in BEE COMB

why is there holy cow type things here ?

 

[alimobin memon]

MAN you have thrown a stone in BEE COMB

I am sorry it wasn't me

 

[umair86]

Both the above posts have real flawed logic. Indigenous is the way to go for a country like Pakistan. You guys never like your own stuff and that's why you guys are always separated nationally. Look at Indians, they hate each others states and backgrounds but to the world, they ALL become ONE INDIA. JFT will provide a valuable option and hedge against the west in case others think of sanctions. They'll lose more control over Pakistan by doing so as Pakistan can say good bye and increase the quantity of what they are building. It may not be a F-22 but it's decent enough to defend Pakistan's sky.....vs. top of the line jets that look pretty on tarmac and can't fly due to spares or can't be upgraded!

In current circumstances Indigenous products have a long way to go our enemy is buying all best hi tech stuff around the world JF-17 is good but it can't take on swarms of MKI, MiGs and soon Rafales. One way is that to make up number like Soviets did back in the Cold War with quantity over quality which can't afford best thing is to get what we can from the West invest in home projects until we get sufficient in defense field to compete with India and have resources.

 

[Windjammer]

 

[SBD-3]

Lemme Guess..........Sakardo?

 

[Windjammer]

Lemme Guess..........Sakardo?

No dear, these are shown in Konya, Turkey participating in Anatolian Eagle 2012.

 

[Windjammer]

Double Post.

 

[Viper0011.]

In current circumstances Indigenous products have a long way to go our enemy is buying all best hi tech stuff around the world JF-17 is good but it can't take on swarms of MKI, MiGs and soon Rafales. One way is that to make up number like Soviets did back in the Cold War with quantity over quality which can't afford best thing is to get what we can from the West invest in home projects until we get sufficient in defense field to compete with India and have resources.

I wasn't suggesting that Pakistan shouldn't procure from the world. My post was intended for people that were openly bashing the JFT. JFT is an achievement and if it can be completed and advanced successfully, it provides a cheap alternative to 4 and 4.5 generation aircraft for Pakistan's limited area and specially in a defensive role with BVR.
For the top tier, Pakistan should procure more jets. Ideally, start inducting a few squadrons of J-11's or F-18's if they can get them. With US moving towards JSF and pilot less supersonic naval fleet, I am reasonably sure they'll sell F-18's to Pakistan. Remember, F-18, F-15, Su-30 was really tech from a couple of decades ago (with new avionics of-course but still, tech from the 90's). In SE Asia, the tech from the 90's is still the high end tech (Su-30). Even Rafale was designed in the 90's. They've managed to put a lot of new tech in during this previous decade but compared to today's weapons system, it's still a bit 'previous' technology. Procuring F-18 and or J-11 (if these Pakistan can afford to get these) will bring a lot of punch to Pakistan's defensive capability.

 

[Storm Force]

sure they'll sell F-18's to Pakistan.

After the fiasco of F16 for the last 20 years and USA sanctions, massive political issues over WOT you suggest buying F18 super hornets.


EVEN THE INDIANS rejected the TOT OF THE F18 superhornets based on constant threat of sanctions..

TODAY PAF F16 has a constant threat of ARMS SPARES embargo on F16the minute a war with india starts. CONSIDERING THE F16 is the best that PAF have that is a huge poltical/military mistake and GAMBLE that PAF have made.

 

[Mani2020]

After the fiasco of F16 for the last 20 years and USA sanctions, massive political issues over WOT you suggest buying F18 super hornets.


EVEN THE INDIANS rejected the TOT OF THE F18 superhornets based on constant threat of sanctions..

TODAY PAF F16 has a constant threat of ARMS SPARES embargo on F16the minute a war with india starts. CONSIDERING THE F16 is the best that PAF have that is a huge poltical/military mistake and GAMBLE that PAF have made.

Diverting to a new platform with numbers standing at just 18 would never have been feasible as PAF had existing facilities and experience with f-16s so the option was more feasible . Also the fact that the original order was reduced from 72 to 18 shows that the PAF had same thing in mind. The order of these block52s was more of an attempt to get hands on american latest weaponry and an old love for bvr missiles .
Even if they are prone to sanctions and at worse cant be used extensively during hostile environment still atleast these assets provide PAF a first hand experience with some of the game changers at the same time PAF getting its hands onto something that they never had the privilege of in the past . The know how and experience on these latest gadgets can surely help PAF to pass on the good things to thunders and the relevant equipment . On that front atleast PAF have won

 

[Viper0011.]

After the fiasco of F16 for the last 20 years and USA sanctions, massive political issues over WOT you suggest buying F18 super hornets.


EVEN THE INDIANS rejected the TOT OF THE F18 superhornets based on constant threat of sanctions..

TODAY PAF F16 has a constant threat of ARMS SPARES embargo on F16the minute a war with india starts. CONSIDERING THE F16 is the best that PAF have that is a huge poltical/military mistake and GAMBLE that PAF have made.

Welcome to the global politics. The P8I and other fancy things India's purchasing....also face the threat of sanctions when uncle Sam finds another girlfriend
The suggestion is to acquire a 'few' squadrons, not 'in numbers' or go to J-11. SU-30's tech is already in China, if they put on that size of AESA or PESA on it, it won't be behind bars, I can assure you of that as China's already advanced itself at that level. So acquire either one, it'll give a stronger defensive punch

 

[MastanKhan]

why is there holy cow type things here ?

'Toro' would have been appropriate.

 

[Windjammer]