Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[Last Hope]

Red Flag 10. Before refueling mission.

 

[soul hacker]

A three ship F-16 formation equipped with AIM-9M sidewinder, Sniper pod and AMD pod.

 

[Xracer]

Can Any one Kindly Tell Me how much an F16 b52 Costs Pakistan and how Much an Su30 MKI costs India.Thank

 

[ziaulislam]

Can Any one Kindly Tell Me how much an F16 b52 Costs Pakistan and how Much an Su30 MKI costs India.Thank

Exact pricing is difficult coz it depend upon package but F-16 costs around 90 million while su 30 around 50 million( indian version)

 

[Last Hope]

Exact pricing is difficult coz it depend upon package but F-16 costs around 90 million while su 30 around 50 million( indian version)

Can Any one Kindly Tell Me how much an F16 b52 Costs Pakistan and how Much an Su30 MKI costs India.Thank

We got 18 Block 52+ for $1.8 Billion. $45 Million per unit.

 

[razgriz19]

Exact pricing is difficult coz it depend upon package but F-16 costs around 90 million while su 30 around 50 million( indian version)

F-16 cost about $60 million max.
Super Hornet costs about $90-100 million.

And MKI costs a lot more as Russia almost doubled the price of Su-30.

 

[Xracer]

Exact pricing is difficult coz it depend upon package but F-16 costs around 90 million while su 30 around 50 million( indian version)

Thanks ziaulislam,Last Hope and razgriz19 But my Point is:
We have A 90 million Plane F16 block52 and indian members still say their 50 Million Su30 Mki is Alot Better than f16 WTF are they Insane

 

[alibaz]

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Thanks ziaulislam,Last Hope and razgriz19 But my Point is:
We have A 90 million Plane F16 block52 and indian members still say their 50 Million Su30 Mki is Alot Better than f16 WTF are they Insane

Brother I don't know about the prices of blk 52+s and MKIs but by your definition 15 million JF should be nothing more than a piece of trash.
I think packages you buy, political, economic state and stakes of a country also determines the end cost. I think India has integrated many systems in MKI from France, Israel, may be something indigenous and few other sources . Many pieces of MKI will be assembled in India under licence which definitely contributes to reduction of price.

 

[Xracer]

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Brother I don't know about the prices of blk 52+s and MKIs but by your definition 15 million JF should be nothing more than a piece of trash.

No No Really Look at This:
Program cost US$500 million
Unit cost Block 1: US$15–20 million (estimated)
Block 2: US$20–25 million. as of wikipedia.CAC/PAC JF-17 Thunder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
But as the Official at Dubai air Show Said.
3 JF-17 Thunders for a price of a F-16: Sale at Dubai Air Show.
Aviation analysts expect the aircraft, currenlty priced at $25-30 million, (which is currently in service means Block 1) to be focused on emerging markets in Asia and Africa. Mukhtar said that
“Going to the (European) market is not very easy because you are cutting the profits of some other people.”

Pakistan is producing the first version of the JF-17 Hunders, however research on the next three generations is already in place. Next year the next block of planes will be rolling off the Kamra factory.
3 JF-17 Thunders for a price of a F-16: Sale at Dubai Air Show | Pakistan Patriot

 

[Viper0011.]

No No Really Look at This:
Program cost US$500 million
Unit cost Block 1: US$15–20 million (estimated)
Block 2: US$20–25 million. as of wikipedia.CAC/PAC JF-17 Thunder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
But as the Official at Dubai air Show Said.
3 JF-17 Thunders for a price of a F-16: Sale at Dubai Air Show.
Aviation analysts expect the aircraft, currenlty priced at $25-30 million, (which is currently in service means Block 1) to be focused on emerging markets in Asia and Africa. Mukhtar said that
“Going to the (European) market is not very easy because you are cutting the profits of some other people.”

Pakistan is producing the first version of the JF-17 Hunders, however research on the next three generations is already in place. Next year the next block of planes will be rolling off the Kamra factory.
3 JF-17 Thunders for a price of a F-16: Sale at Dubai Air Show | Pakistan Patriot

Average contractor rates that LM pays to its contractors is around $ 80 - 250 an hour (depends on the specialty) plus there is a lot of money that goes to other small integration companies. Labor cost is very expensive in the defense industry and overall in the US. So if you take an $ 80 an hour contractor and turn it into $ 10 an hour (still good money in Pakistan, India or China's case), you can slash those labor costs in dollar to the local currency. Still paying good money in their own currencies, you can cut the development costs by 40 - 60%. That's why JFT is so cheap as the labor component is not in dollars.
In other words, to integrate avionics etc in the US or UK or France, the costs are very high. Same avionics can be integrated in SE Asia for 40% of the cost (as long as there is trained labor available). So JFT @ 15 - 20 million is not just a cheap crappy plane. It offers capability comparable to $ 40 million dollar planes but the cost to built it and test it is much cheaper.

 

[alibaz]

Average contractor rates that LM pays to its contractors is around $ 80 - 250 an hour (depends on the specialty) plus there is a lot of money that goes to other small integration companies. Labor cost is very expensive in the defense industry and overall in the US. So if you take an $ 80 an hour contractor and turn it into $ 10 an hour (still good money in Pakistan, India or China's case), you can slash those labor costs in dollar to the local currency. Still paying good money in their own currencies, you can cut the development costs by 40 - 60%. That's why JFT is so cheap as the labor component is in dollars.
In other words, to integrate avionics etc in the US or UK or France, the costs are very high. Same avionics can be integrated in SE Asia for 40% of the cost (as long as there is trained labor available). So JFT @ 15 - 20 million is not just a cheap crappy plane. It offers capability comparable to $ 40 million dollar planes but the cost to built it and test it is much cheaper.

Hence proved that price is not the only litmus test. A $15-20 million can be 70 to 80% of a blk 52+.

 

[Xracer]

Average contractor rates that LM pays to its contractors is around $ 80 - 250 an hour (depends on the specialty) plus there is a lot of money that goes to other small integration companies. Labor cost is very expensive in the defense industry and overall in the US. So if you take an $ 80 an hour contractor and turn it into $ 10 an hour (still good money in Pakistan, India or China's case), you can slash those labor costs in dollar to the local currency. Still paying good money in their own currencies, you can cut the development costs by 40 - 60%. That's why JFT is so cheap as the labor component is not in dollars.
In other words, to integrate avionics etc in the US or UK or France, the costs are very high. Same avionics can be integrated in SE Asia for 40% of the cost (as long as there is trained labor available). So JFT @ 15 - 20 million is not just a cheap crappy plane. It offers capability comparable to $ 40 million dollar planes but the cost to built it and test it is much cheaper.

Hence proved that price is not the only litmus test. A $15-20 million can be 70 to 80% of a blk 52+.

Yes Agreed With Both You.it is a 40 million Plane but due to Cheap labor and our own home made equipment it is cost effective.its like that China Product is cheaper than japan or Us not for bad or Cheap Quality but for Cheaper Labor.

 

[Windjammer]

 

[Jango]

Smile for the camera!!!

 

[mylovepakistan]

salute,

RED FLAG 2010,

going to have some drink..