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Jigs, Both CAESAR and Meteor integration are down the line (latter not before 2015, years after AIM-120D induction, and CAESAR is even farther off). If you speak about what current Typhoon operators are using, their BVR capabilities are in the same league as those of the blk-50/60 F-16s. In the future, F-16s would also be fielding AIM-120Ds which would give them even longer reach in terms of operational BVR AAMs. Most of the capabilities that are being envisaged for the Typhoon to fulfill its multirole, are already available with the newer blocks of F-16. Yes in certain areas Typhoon may have better options, however, overall, the difference isn't really that great.
Typhoon is a nice aircraft but about 15 years too late. This is something that many in Europe are saying themselves too. Typhoon has yet to attain a full MR capability and if (some countries are not even bothering with a MR configuration) and when it does, it will happen around the same time as some of these very nations will be receiving their F-35s.
There are too many jobs and too much European pride riding the Eurofighter program for it to be shelved now in view of what is available to Europe in the form of the F-35.
Jigs, Both CAESAR and Meteor integration are down the line (latter not before 2015, years after AIM-120D induction, and CAESAR is even farther off). If you speak about what current Typhoon operators are using, their BVR capabilities are in the same league as those of the blk-50/60 F-16s. In the future, F-16s would also be fielding AIM-120Ds which would give them even longer reach in terms of operational BVR AAMs.
Despite Typhoon's Captor PD radars range, its standoff reach is the same as what is available to any aircraft flying an AIM-120C5 class BVRAAM.
What they found out was that in low level profiles, the F-16 could handle the Typhoon well enough in close in combat, however at medium and higher altitudes, Typhoon's superior TWR helped.
Like i said it is a maturing platform and is a better aircraft to the F-16 50/52. It will get better.
Why do you think Turkey is considering it over our block 50/52+ aircraft along with the F-35. It is a better aircraft overall.
Like i said the SU-30MKI is a better aircraft then the F-15 but USAF F-15 pilots were still able to get kills on it by exploiting it at times (Obviously the F-15C is better then the F-16 in A2A role) .
The same goes for the F-16 so the F-16 is not the same nor better then the Typhoon. Plus eurofighter has AIM-120 integration which is a mute point when comparing it to USAF aircraft.
Since they won't be seeing combat anyway with each other. F-16 is a great aircaft and can hold its own against 4.5 gen aircraft but it is inferior to the likes of the Typhoon and even more to that of the F-35.
In a low speed low altitude enviroment a F-18 can make a F-16 look silly. Yet Overall i would still pick the F-16 over the F-18 just like i would pick the Typhoon over the F-16 Which is why nations moving forward will have a mix of the F-35 and the typhoon as their top aircraft.
I am confused about your point are you saying the Typhoon is a failed aircraft and people should leave it and grab up F-16s and the rest go for F-35s ? If anything is a failed aircraft it is the Rafael for obvious reasons. Your point about the pilots scoring kills on Typhoons doesn't mean much.
Good find, but certainly not the point I was trying to make.YouTube- F-22 Raptor VS T-38 Talon By that logic it means the T-38 is a better aircraft then a F-22 because it scored a kill on it.
I was being generous when I said that they have equal BVR capabilities. The fact is as above. The latest that Typhoons have is AIM-120B integration. The F-16s are already flying with AIM-120C5s which provide greater range and better terminal guidance.Aren't you contradicting yourself here? You said:
Although the actual F16 and EF might have the same missiles, the EF radar is more capable than F16 block 50/52 for sure, possibly even equal to Block 60s. Not to mention that the EF should have the better RCS and all together the better BVR performance.
Also:
So only because the F16 might have some chances on lower altitudes, you can't say it would be overall equal to EF in close combat. It's just the other way around, the only chance that an F16 has in A2A aginast the EF is a low level close combat!
I agree that the EF is too late, but in A2A there are not many fighters that are close to it. Where it lacks are multi role capabilities, no doubt about that and that's why it lost nearly all competitions.
I was being generous when I said that they have equal BVR capabilities. The fact is as above. The latest that Typhoons have is AIM-120B integration. The F-16s are already flying with AIM-120C5s which provide greater range and better terminal guidance.
Currently at least, the Typhoon does not even use the same BVR AAMs as those available to blks 50/60 F-16s. Secondly, APG-68 has a pretty decent range that is overlooked by folks. The range of the radars in both cases exceeds the theoretical range of the BVR AAMs in question. So this is a moot point.
Yes but these Italian aircraft were older blk-15s with less powerful engines and no JHMCS and HOBS AAMs like the AIM-9x. Lack of energy and less TWR is helped by being able to take a shot against an adversary with higher thrust and maneuverability from various angles. The Italians did not have that, however JHMCS would afford this capability.
But therein lies its Achilles heal. Nobody wants a very expensive dedicated air superiority fighter that does not offer any significant 5th generation advantages. Air Forces want to cut back on opex if the initial capex allows them an aircraft that not only ensures future investment protection, but also allows robust multirole capability.
My intention is not to put down Typhoon as a bad aircraft. Its beautiful, potent (in some very specific roles), expensive yet the biggest issue is that it claims to offer (now and in the future) what other aircraft already have.
Italian Falcons are Blk 15 ADF Blk 15 enjoys the best TWR of any falcon Block.
Going through this thread i am just wondering why is pakistan buying F-16 block 52 coz (until they r upgraded to block 60) they cant handle Su-30 MKI their most likely adversary.And by the time they will be upgraded to block 60 india will have PAK FGFA which is a generation ahead.
So my question is why not save the hard earned money and buy something technically advanced from China, in future(J XX)?