Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[M8R]

No - ECM minus the DRFM.

 

[rohailmalhi]

Does that mean that our Block-52s will have DRFM capability?

Yes i think so . Read this it is taken from the PDF file given by the Ratheon on there website abt the ASPIS - Advanced Self-Protection Integrated Suite.

ASPIS is certified for EMI/EMC and safety-of-flight on the F-16
Block 30/50/52+ aircraft, and it is flight proven, operationally
deployed, and organically supported.There are no additional
integration costs on F-16 aircraft. The program infrastructure
is in place and actively managing the production line.
ASPIS is being produced now in economically viable quantities
using modern digital technology in both the RWR/EW suite
controller and DRFM-equipped jammer for high reliability and
low cost. While providing the most effective self-protection
available, the entire integrated ASPIS suite costs less than some
jammers currently deployed on existing aircraft or still in development
for future aircraft.

 

[M8R]

Guys the interview is fake per senior members of pakdef.info - It's just conspiracy talk by some anti f16 deal lobbies.Any PAF pilot if reveals this kind of job would be fired as Muradk mentioned before - PAF is very secretive about these things.

 

[Zulfiqar]

Yes i think so . Read this it is taken from the PDF file given by the Ratheon on there website abt the ASPIS - Advanced Self-Protection Integrated Suite.

That is why i asked, the specs say that ASPIS will have DRFM but the general notion here is that PAF will not get the DRFM capability.

 

[TOPGUN]

Just mashallah awsome news all around

 

[air marshal]

 

[air marshal]

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

PAF got new generation of Sabers F-16s-blk52 and hopefully the grand Son of Saber F22 in 2020 .

What a beautiful family tree

 

[air marshal]

 

[air marshal]

PAF attains Night time attack capability: PAF Chief
June 27, 2010

SHAHBAZ AIR BASE: With the induction of latest version of F-16 aircraft, Pakistan Air Force (PAF) has achieved the capability to carry out all-weather night time operations, said Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman here on Sunday.

Addressing the formal handing over ceremony of three Block 52 C/D version of F-16 aircraft by the US at the newly developed base near Jacobabad, Chief of Air Staff said this technology will not only eliminate our existing limitations of precision night operations but also enable the PAF to meet its mission more effectively.

“The mission of the PAF is to Maintain Peace with Honor in the Region: should this primary effort of maintaining peace fail, we will use our resources including these aircraft to defend our country against any internal or external threats.”

General Norton A Schwartz, Chief of Staff, United States Air Force (USAF), especially visited Pakistan to attend the handing over ceremony.

US Ambassador to Pakistan Anne W. Patterson, Vice Admiral Michael LeFever, US Defence Representative in Pakistan along with other senior PAF, USAF, civil and military officials were also present on the occasion. Lt Gen Hostage of USAF (Centcom) handed over the documents of the newly inducted aircraft to Air Marshal Mohammad Hasan, Deputy Chief of Air Staff (Operations), PAF.

The newly manufactured aircraft by Lokheed Martin had reached Pakistan on Saturday.

Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar termed the handing over of the aircraft to Pakistan a happy augury as the deal for supply of these aircraft by the US was signed back in 2006, but it became controversial at the hands of critics on both sides.

However, he said of late it matured following efforts put in by the “good people” living in both the friendly countries.

Later, talking to media-persons, he said other countries in the region had already such type of aircraft available with them while acquiring of latest F-16 aircraft by Pakistan has brought back the balance of power in the region.

The Chief of Air Staff while addressing the gathering said that PAF men made round the clock efforts to complete the Shahbaz Base as a fully fledged air base, which only a year back was being used as a forward operation base.

“PAF Base, Shahbaz has been developed into a modern Base capable of handling state-of-the-art and most modern fighter aircraft of the world in less than a year.”

Completion of this task in a record time reflects the spirit of PAF, which is used to working against heavy odds and meeting the assigned tasks within the available limited resources. These new aircraft will begin a new era of hi-tech environment in the PAF.

As far as the overhauling and up-gradation of existing F-16 aircraft is concerned, he said initially 14 aircraft from the existing fleet of PAF would be upgraded with the US assistance as a team of technicians, engineers and experts had already been working to transfer the up-gradation and repair skills to their Pakistani counterparts.

This handing over has formally started the delivery of the fleet of 18 F-16 C/D Block 52 fighter aircraft to Pakistan. PAF would receive these state-of-the-art aircraft from the US Government in different batches.

The delivery of all the 18 aircraft would complete by the end of this year. In addition to delivery of 18 aircraft by US, he said the friendly country would also help Pakistan in upgrading existing lot of F-16 aircraft matching to the latest version of the fighting falcons.

The Chief of Air Staff also announced an uplift package for the people of Jacobabad according to which PAF would immediately provide three water filtration plants, besides constructing a hospital and school in the area.

Source: Associated Press of Pakistan

 

[air marshal]

Air Marshal Mohammad Hasan, Deputy Chief of the Air Staff (Operational), Air Marshal Waseem ud Din, Deputy Chief of the Air Staff (Administration) along with other Senior PAF and USAF officials at PAF Base Shahbaz.

Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman, Chief of the Air Staff, Pakistan Air Force along with General Norton A Schwartz, Chief of the Staff United States Air Force and US Ambassador to Pakistan Anne W. Patterson during handing over ceremony of F-16 C/D Block 52 fighter aircraft to Pakistan at PAF Base Shahbaz.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

I had to go to our step sister web site---the info one to read the original article and see what RMS Azam was quoting / saying.

In automobiles the system is owned by ON STAR----MY 2004 ACURA 3.5 RL had that factory installed on star system that it could automatically lock unlock my doors remotely from the satellite if I forgot the keys inside. It had the ability to shut the engine down in case of an accident----in case of an accident---the on star operator would come online immediately and check the well fare of the occupants---if no response---the operator would shut down the engine immediately to stop the fuel pump. Now the local police has been hooked up with them to shut down the car---if the car has that system in case of a car chase.

Most highline cars used to have that system and still do----most of the General Motors cars have that system----it is available in cheaper cars as well---not all of them---but quite a few of them---it is not a gps based system---on star uses the ANALOG system---you may be able to get that service factory equipped---you don't need gps system for that.

This system is not out of the ordinary----every aircraft can have that system installed if there is any need---which I doubt very much---.

But think about it----and use common sense----so many wannabe engineers and computer guys and smart fellows over here --- but you are not knowledgeable people---as a matter of fact you have no clue what wars are and what happens in wars---you people are a bunch of !!!!!---- and you got me following your lead---stupid me---a war zone is a heavy sanctioned area----heavy heavy jamming is going on all the time----from your planes----and ground stations---from enemy planes and ground stations---jamming of electronic waves anywhere and everywhere---so whomsoever is going to alter the behaviour of your plane is declaring war on you as well---ain't gonna happen.

Just imagine---if america can shut down an aircraft---then the enemy has a chance of shutting down that aircraft---if a signal is sent out---that same signal can be intercepted, trapped, snagged and broken into---it is hacking into the codes---guess what----that is where the next war is headed to---hacking codes right in the middle of flight of the other aircraft---.

Is the u s already searching for that capability----most definitely.

Then there is the RFID chip---which doesnot give out any signal except when it passes by a sensor---would that chip be able to do funny things---I doubt it very much----at this stage it only announces its location when a sensor passes by it or when it passes by a sensor.

 

[ejaz007]

PAF to use F-16s as it wishes
Monday, June 28, 2010
Air chief says US imposed no conditions; US air chief says new inductions will enhance ability of PAF to destroy extremists
By Muhammad Anis

ISLAMABAD: Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman on Sunday maintained that Pakistan Air Force (PAF) would employ all its assets, including the newly-inducted F-16 C/D Block 52 aircraft, to defend the country against all external and internal threats.

“Our mission is to maintain peace with honour in the region but should this primary effort of maintaining peace fails, the PAF will employ all its assets, including these aircraft, to defend the country against external and internal security threats,” said the air chief while speaking at the handing over ceremony of the first batch of F-16 C/D Block 52 aircraft and later talking to newsmen at the PAF Base Shahbaz (Jacobabad).

US Ambassador Anne W Patterson was also present at the impressive ceremony held at the newly-furbished and the most modern airbase of the country.

Answering a question, the air chief said the acquisition of hi-tech Falcons would neither spark an arms race nor alter the balance of power in the region. He observed that it would rather restore the balance of power as the neighbours already had hi-tech aircraft in their inventory.

To another query, he maintained that there was no restriction on the use of the new Falcons against any specific country.

He was responding to a question on the impression that the modern planes had been given to Pakistan with the condition that these would in no case be used against a particular country. “You have also heard my speech. There is no such restriction,” he maintained.

To another question, the air chief said the induction of 18 such F-16s into the PAF would be completed by December this year.

Observing that Pakistan and the United States were allies in the war against terrorism and extremism, he stressed that trust between the two countries was an essential element required to achieve success. “I had mentioned during the rolling out ceremony of the F-16s in the US that the process of trust building will start when I will see these aircraft flying in Pakistani air space by Pakistani pilots,” he recalled.

The air chief noted that the delivery of the aircraft was the beginning of the process to develop trust. He said the trust between the two countries would take some time to be established fully, but said the ceremony was an important step in that direction. “We should continue to take such steps to further develop the trust between the two countries,” he added.

He said the new F-16 aircraft provide the PAF all-weather precision attack capability day and night. This capability would add a new dimension to the PAF potential. Operationalising the capabilities of these new aircraft and mastering the technology is a challenge for the PAF, he said.

The air chief said the new capabilities of this weapon system would be operationalised and employed in the near future. “This technology will not only eliminate the existing limitations of precision night operations but also enable the PAF to meet its mission to maintain peace with honour in the region,” he said.

He recalled that critics questioned the decision, saying that the F-16s would have no role in the fight against terrorism and cynics challenged the wisdom of a contract with the US, based on the past experience.

But, he praised the dedication and efforts of Pakistani and US officials who helped in accomplishing the task. “It is like a dream comes true,” Rao Qamar said.

US Air Chief Norton A Schwartz said the induction of state-of-the-art F-16s with night vision devices would effectively enhance the PAF’s capability in destroying extremists.

Paying tributes to Pakistani forces and people for fighting against terrorism, he said the US stands by Pakistan in this war. He pointed out that all the eight Pakistani pilots were rigorously trained in the US in combat operations and other techniques and they would further train the new generation of F-16 pilots in Pakistan. He termed the PAF Base Shahbaz in Jacobabad a world-class base.

US Ambassador Anne W Patterson said that it was an important day in the relations between the two countries, which are allies in the war against terrorism. “We have seen the PAF fighting against extremists and making advancements,” she observed.

She said the US government would launch a number of welfare projects for the people of Jacobabad with particular reference to the water supply and waste management.

Deputy Chief of Air Staff (Operations) Air Marshal Muhammad Hasan said the occasion also marked to operationalise the new airbase. “It is seen as a modern airbase in the country and strength of the PAF and the air chief has directed for implementing the same on other air bases of the PAF,” he said.

He pointed out that during the induction of new F-16s, the PAF continued its other heavy commitments like the war against terror.

APP adds from Jacobabad: US Ambassador Anne W Patterson said that America’s offer of a long-term partnership with Pakistan is tangible and “it is our hope that this partnership will deliver our common goals of security and prosperity in the region and throughout the world.”

Pakistanis and Americans are working together to build a better world, “we all aspire to leave as our legacy”, she said.

She said that Pakistan and the United States share a deep and broad partnership, which is growing to encompass nearly every element of government-to-government cooperation.

Under the Strategic Dialogue established by US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi, she said, the two nations are working together on economic development, trade and energy, healthcare, education, science and technology and agriculture. “Our governments share a vision of partnership today which is unprecedented in the history of our bilateral relationship,” she said.

It both reflects America’s long-term commitment to Pakistan as an important ally and partner and “is a testament to the shared vision of our democratically-elected governments,” she added.

The US ambassador said an important element of Pakistan-US relationship is strong and a growing security partnership, through which the two countries are working to make this region secure, stable and peaceful.

She recalled that four years ago, the United States and the Government of Pakistan had signed a Letter of Agreement for the acquisition of 18 new F-16 aircraft by Pakistan to support this country’s counter-terrorism efforts.

“I am glad to be here today to witness the induction of the first three of these aircraft into the Pakistan Air Force in an event which begins yet another cycle of fulfilment in America’s commitments to Pakistan,” the US envoy said.

The induction of these advanced F-16s is a historic milestone for US-Pakistan relations — “both a symbolic and a tangible demonstration of our strong partnership” and the US intent to stand beside Pakistan over the long-term as an important ally and friend, Patterson said.

“Our commitment does not end with the delivery of these aircraft. The United States will continue to support the Pakistan Air Force through training and munitions procurement, and through updates to the 45 F-16s in the Pakistan Air Force’s existing fleet,” she added.

The US ambassador said that she was impressed by the skills of Pakistani pilots as they have prepared to fly the F-16 aircraft in defence of Pakistan. “But Americans know that extraordinarily powerful weapons alone cannot strengthen this or any other nation. The strength of our economies and our institutions and our people also are key elements of national power.”

PAF to use F-16s as it wishes

 

[mahmoodadeel]

Why more F-16s?

PAF’S love affair with the F-16s began in 1982, when at the height of the Soviet occupation, the Mujahedeen camps in Pakistan were being bombarded by Soviet Air Force fighter aircraft with impunity. PAF at that time did not have a fighter aircraft capable enough to meet the threat, since the Soviet and Afghan fighter aircraft could easily attack their ground targets, located close to the Durand Line and retreat to safety before the PAF could be scrambled. Although Pakistan had assumed the role of a frontline state, its requests for a suitable fighter aircraft from the US fell on deaf ears. All the PAF was offered was F-5E and the Tigershark F-20, redubbed as F-5Gs. PAF stuck to its guns and insisted on being provided the F-16s. PAF pilots and technicians converted to the state-of-the- art aircraft in record time and the first batch landed at Sargodha on January 1983 and was pressed into action straight away. Flying Combat Air Patrol (CAP) missions, they not only kept the enemy intruders at bay but also shot down ten Soviet and Afghan air force aircraft. The Daily Mail observes that the moment the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan ceased, the US not only withdrew from the region but also slapped sanctions on the PAF, stopping further supplies although the PAF had ordered 71 more, paying advance hard cash for 28 of them. The US government not only stopped the spare parts of the existing fleet but embargoed the 28 F-16s on order, adding insult to injury by charging PAF for storage of the embargoed planes. PAF’s technicians managed to keep the aircraft flying and they served Pakistan well, acting as a deterrent to Indo-Israeli adventurism against Pakistan’s nuclear capability.

Come 9/11, Pakistan again became an apple of US eye and soon sanctions were lifted, some of the embargoed F-16s released for PAF and fresh 18 F-16 C/D Block-52 were contracted for sale to Pakistan through FMS. The war against terror brought a new challenge for the PAF and tandem with the Pakistan Army, its fighter aircraft led precision attacks against a fleeting enemy, hiding in the mountains. It is reported that the US provided invaluable training to the PAF aircrew in such operations, in which PAF had limited experience. The latest F-16 C/D Block 52 and the mid-life upgrade kits for the remaining F-16 fleet, which will bring them at par with new additions, are expected to serve the air force ablyl. The Daily Mail would like to question the collective wisdom of its defence planners, that when the intermediate period during the sanctions, gave PAF the route of indigenization and with Chinese support it has developed the lethal JF-17 Thunder, why it is again falling in the trap of being blocked again by US when they depart Afghanistan next year. Indeed the new F-16s, with their Beyond Visual Range Missiles, enhanced Precision Guided Munitions, Electronic Warfare suites; early warning radars and a wide array of electronics make the new F-16s a formidable platform for deterrence as well as combating the war against terror. However, there is always the element of uncertainty, as when the carpet of US support will be pulled out and PAF will be left stranded mid air. China is not only a reliable partner, a time tested friend but has established that its technology has improved with leap and bounds. Pakistan should have enhanced its local defence industry with the help of its Chinese friends so that in future no other nation uses us only at the time of its need and later dumps us. Prudence demands that you learn your lessons from history and mistakes made in the past. Unfortunately, we get temporarily blinded by the glamour of the west, the numerous trips we get to make to the US for training or procurement and tend to spurn the professional and hardcore attitude of our allies in the east, till we get rebuffed and ditched.

Why more F-16s?

 

[Super Hornet]

first flight of PAF BK 52 F-16 was on 9 sep 2009 and in jst 9 months we have recived ou first batch of these latest F-16s.I think this was the fastest delivery of Any aircraft to the PAF.