Pakistan Constitution should make hijab compulsory: JI

[forcetrip]

Sorry I follow ALLAH and HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW if you want deny them fine Muslims follow them and they will keep on following them better than becoming slave of ****** west and bowing to those mentally sick nations DPC is doing what think is right and all Muslim know what to do you liberal slaves of western **** should think what they hell are you doing you have been corrupted from bloody gays and lesbian nation so check out your mental state Mr


Mr kafir is term for Non Muslims Mr do some research before talking

Your rehtoric is exactly what the west wants. It wants you to live in your stoneage dreamland while it keeps playing video games and blowing idiots out. You are their best allies in fighting against us. Your kind are its first line of defense.

 

[notsuperstitious]

Your rehtoric is exactly what the west wants. It wants you to live in your stoneage dreamland while it keeps playing video games and blowing idiots out. You are their best allies in fighting against us. Your kind are its first line of defense.

I know you are trying make him understand by presenting your argument using the clash of civilisations terminologies. Two problems

1) you can not make him understand and he will only take the clash of civilisations bit from your post

2) the clash of civilisations is really an eternal clash of ideas and nation states do not correctly define it. People representing all kinds of ideas reside in all countries. You could have just given it a nationalistic color. Much more accurate in terms of what threats Zarvans really pose Pakistan.

 

[Hyperion]

Ufff.... @everyone, leave Zarvan alone, he seems to be impossibly incorrigible! Therefore, more prudent question for us to ponder would be: how to humanely cull Zarvan's / Zarvanees of Pakistan?

 

[pak-marine]

what ever mate, I do belive in Allah as much I belive in Lord Krishna, or Jesus Christ.
The difference is that I dont think them as seperate entities, all are the same and one.

Yar kyu Bhens kay agay been baja raha hai their brains are washed in a front loading washing machine

 

[Hyperion]

in terms of what threats Zarvans really pose Pakistan.

Well, my best guess would be:

1 Zarvan = 1 Indian thermonuclear warhead, exploding inside Pakistani territory

Worst part is, you can counter Indian warheads with MAD doctrine; Whereas the Zarvan-warhead is already mad!

 

[Uchiha]

Well, my best guess would be:

1 Zarvan = 1 Indian thermonuclear warhead, exploding inside Pakistani territory

Worst part is, you can counter Indian warheads with MAD doctrine; Whereas the Zarvan-warhead is already mad!

Nah, these guys will probably first kill all those who dont agree with them, barevils deobandis shias ismailis boris omanis etc. until only a handful of them remain, they are actualy beneficial to India and others who are against Islam

 

[ajtr]

Well, my best guess would be:

1 Zarvan = 1 Indian thermonuclear warhead, exploding inside Pakistani territory

Worst part is, you can counter Indian warheads with MAD doctrine; Whereas the Zarvan-warhead is already mad!

Then india must start cultivating Zarvans...........

 

[Hyperion]

Then india must start cultivating Zarvans...........

Who said India isn't!

The only thing is, we found a way to defuse them before you could do any further damage.

Trick:
1#: Quietly whisper into Zarvan's ears that: 72 handsome dudes with huge **** are waiting for you on the other side of LoAC.
2# Call BSF, and inform them our boys are crossing LoC, please distribute candy to them.
3# BAM...BAM..BOOM...BOOM...KABOOM, either way, problem solved!

 

[Dubious]

i was saying that culture of society where pre-martial relationship with opposite gender still taboo will be different than western societies where such things are considered perfectly fine. Having friendship with opposite gender is not issue for any man living in west but it is in countries like Pakistan that's why you see their attitude is different than those live in western countries. Another point is most of them who have such activities are free guys neither working nor studying and have plenty of time to chase woman on streets while here everyone is so busy in work or or in other activities that hardly find time for such constructive things

Yea, Culture sucks! Another reason why these guys are sooo free is because of society..Here in the West, when you have summer break you get a job at a cafe or Tesco while there working in such places is some form of a shocker.. however, surprisingly doing the same job here in UK doesn't seem like a shocker!

Talon we have double standard in many things.

Tell me about it!!

I mean you will see guys can smoke in Pakistan no problem at all..but if a girl smoke in public then she will be considered as she is some sort of prostitute or bad girl. Similarly you will see many cases where women got killed because of honour killing but you will never see a man got killed by his father or brother because he slept with woman and bring shame for family..no only girl bring shame to family when we all know that punishment of any sin in Islam is same for both man or woman. Its really sad. When we talk about Islamic country then first thing which should come in our mind is to have safety of wealth, honour and life of its citizens.

THIS is the jahilat Islam took us out from. BUT those who do not understand Islam only wear the label and STILL are Jahil! Women were given rights which "back to jahilat" took them away

I remember this Afghan guy who had polish gf and they were living together under one roof and seen him many times on road having his hands on the shoulder of his gf wearing mini skirt then after some years i have seen the same Afghan guy went Pakistan, married with pashttun young girl, brought her here and asked her to wear full veil and next time i have seen him walking with his wife in full veil. She was even walking behind him lol He was insecure that if his wife dont wear veil then everyone will look at her with lusty eyes the way he used to have lusty eyes on polish or other girls. It was his personal insecurities which let him ask her wife for niqab. thats how most of us use Islam for our own convenience which is sad.

Yes, I know a lot of people like that!

VERY SAD!

 

[Uchiha]

Yea, Culture sucks! Another reason why these guys are sooo free is because of society..Here in the West, when you have summer break you get a job at a cafe or Tesco while there working in such places is some form of a shocker.. however, surprisingly doing the same job here in UK doesn't seem like a shocker!



Tell me about it!!




THIS is the jahilat Islam took us out from. BUT those who do not understand Islam only wear the label and STILL are Jahil! Women were given rights which "back to jahilat" took them away




Yes, I know a lot of people like that!

VERY SAD!

When you've got nothing to say just ignore right, miss scholar aapa? Had the same trouble with that solomon2 on an another thread, losing the argument, just ignore and pretend you already won

Accept it, you and your types lost, i wonder. I hope you and zarvan never meet, i cant imagine what your kids will be like

 

[Dubious]

What does a " modern " recently invented Hijab looks like for starters ? Is it the same head covering that the Quran talks about or something more ? In fact just like the rest of Allah's orders it is too intensely exaggerated to suit personal agendas and leading to extremism ! Context is important , something people do not bother to look or research Islam themselves and blindly trust the " considered divine " words of a Mullah just like these ladies are doing ! Written on their banners are the words " Hijab is my choice , not compulsion " however they are led to believe that they should make it a compulsion on others !

Well, yes, I am aware- Please read my previous posts. I did not FULLY support them and YES they do not fully understand what they are preaching (I think my 1st post pointed that out)

Mate , I didn't say that my school forbade or suppressed Islamic education in fact followers of both religions were taught their respective religion , I just said that I shouldn't have been that close and curious to Islam than the rest who studied in Madarsas or single sex schools ( I was more close to gender mixing and other stuff than the rest of my lot ) and still understood its essence ! Out of context , didn't you just take it now ?

Sorry got carried away.

If you like something in the religion , follow it but why attempt to enforce it on the others too !

Well, it IS the South Asian attitude = Enforcing on others!

I am fine with the protesters IF say Pakistan was an Islamic state then YES, Hijab is compulsory. I am fine with the protesters IF they are raising awareness. I am fine with those holding the banners IF they do not force but teach!

 

[Uchiha]

Well, yes, I am aware- Please read my previous posts. I did not FULLY support them and YES they do not fully understand what they are preaching (I think my 1st post pointed that out)



Sorry got carried away.



Well, it IS the South Asian attitude = Enforcing on others!

I am fine with the protesters IF say Pakistan was an Islamic state then YES, Hijab is compulsory. I am fine with the protesters IF they are raising awareness. I am fine with those holding the banners IF they do not force but teach!

You lost and accept you lost.
You have nothing to do with the business of the state. In the so called 'Islamic Republic' of Pakistan, hijab is, and has always been, considered a symbol of piety. If you want to know what opposition feels like, try wearing jeans in public.
It would’ve made far more sense for jeans-clad women to parade through the streets, bearing signs screaming, “Jeans are my choice! Not a compulsion!”
It is mind-boggling how our religious parties get to oppress AND play the victim card at the same time?

 

[Dubious]

I don't agree with you. I consider present christianity, hinduism, Jusdiam, as wrong beliefs but i dont go and kill them and it dont give me any mental violence if they practice/follow their beliefs . I can debate, i can argue with them but i will never use violence or force to convert them or hurt them because they dont agree with me

If some people consider all beliefs as right/equal and valid then why they feel the need to stick with their belief and not chose others. Use your logic and common sense. I am sunni muslim because i dont approve the beliefs of shia and that is also true for shia and thsoe who follow different sects..

Sorry needed to laugh a little on this bit....IF KS is from America he wouldn't be saying this...Unless you only roam around desi and hence the thinking...Asian hot headed men can't disagree, THAT leads to violence I agree. But people who have lived with others and seen variety are more tolerant.

When you've got nothing to say just ignore right, miss scholar aapa? Had the same trouble with that solomon2 on an another thread, losing the argument, just ignore and pretend you already won

Accept it, you and your types lost, i wonder. I hope you and zarvan never meet, i cant imagine what your kids will be like

I believe that is how educated people behave. We are not barbaric to make others swallow our thoughts! I present here both sides. Not just my thought. So please take your provoking remarks to some other corner!

You lost and accept you lost.
You have nothing to do with the business of the state. In the so called 'Islamic Republic' of Pakistan, hijab is, and has always been, considered a symbol of piety. If you want to know what opposition feels like, try wearing jeans in public.
It would’ve made far more sense for jeans-clad women to parade through the streets, bearing signs screaming, “Jeans are my choice! Not a compulsion!”
It is mind-boggling how our religious parties get to oppress AND play the victim card at the same time?

Which corner of the earth are you from? I would really like to know which culture/ society generates such narrow minded thinking?!

If I understand it correctly, no one forces a woman or a man to dress up in a certain way in Islam. It is a preference. In many ways, its not a whole lot different the the Judaism. Jewish women cover themselves up from head to toes (the ones that practice). You'll see a pretty Jewish girl but she'll know what to show and what not to show even in the most modern fashion. I've seen muslim girls in very modern American styles but dress up in a way that they look good but don't show skin. There's good rationale behind it as long as no one forced to do it.

Hijab is normal (covering head) veil is going to the next level (entire coverup) which may not be essential (in my opinion) as women can still cover themselves up the right way if they wanted to and still wear the latest fashion available in NYC's fashion district and do hijab on top.

Yes, pretty much similar to Jewish women. Seen a few here in UK. They dress really smartly!

Preference or choice whichever you want to take! I chose and prefer to be covered...Islam gives a number of rules for dressing...Like you should cover everything except the face and hands, wear loosing clothing, do not adorn yourself so as to attract attention...

There is no harm with wearing ANY dress which fit these criteria! Jeans fit it well too...Not sure why SOME Asian men can not swallow it!

Pakistanis like to pretend that out side forces are trying to destabilize Pakistan because it is some sort of a super power. Actually we are wrong because they are after nothing but our faith and so far they have done good job of deviating us from our faith. The Pakistani media wants to promote such illiterate mullah group as the custodian of Islam so average muslim refrains him/herself from practicing their faith because it is too out dated and not acceptable.
10 years from now "if pakistan survives" we will have majority of Pakistani female population imitating Indian and western immoral fashion because they dont want to be insulted by being associated with Islam at all!

THAT is lack of Imaan! If you have Imaan and fear of ALLAH, who cares what the world says!

You lost and accept you lost.
You have nothing to do with the business of the state. In the so called 'Islamic Republic' of Pakistan, hijab is, and has always been, considered a symbol of piety. If you want to know what opposition feels like, try wearing jeans in public.
It would’ve made far more sense for jeans-clad women to parade through the streets, bearing signs screaming, “Jeans are my choice! Not a compulsion!”
It is mind-boggling how our religious parties get to oppress AND play the victim card at the same time?

Sorry to me it was not a matter of life and death nor a matter of loosing or winning! It is a matter of understanding and learning...Both of which you do not wish to because NO ONE CAN TEACH ONE WHO IS NOT WILLING TO LEARN NOR UNDERSTAND!

 

[Uchiha]

Sorry needed to laugh a little on this bit....IF KS is from America he wouldn't be saying this...Unless you only roam around desi and hence the thinking...Asian hot headed men can't disagree, THAT leads to violence I agree. But people who have lived with others and seen variety are more tolerant.



I believe that is how educated people behave. We are not barbaric to make others swallow our thoughts! I present here both sides. Not just my thought. So please take your provoking remarks to some other corner!



Which corner of the earth are you from? I would really like to know which culture/ society generates such narrow minded thinking?!

Thinking? There's no thinking there, only cold hard facts.
I'm only provoking you to continue the debate, or accept defeat.
You talk about how educated people behave, but you dont know the simple concept of a debate or an argument is that both sides present their arguments until one or the other is defeated - that is the educated thing to do. You simply ignore and go for personal insults, I don't think you have any moral grounds over me.
Either say something to prove me wrong or stop it with the personal insults and accept defeat.

Sorry to me it was not a matter of life and death nor a matter of loosing or winning! It is a matter of understanding and learning...Both of which you do not wish to because NO ONE CAN TEACH ONE WHO IS NOT WILLING TO LEARN NOR UNDERSTAND!

All you did was act superior and stuck up, there's no teaching in that? If you read my earlier replies a few pages back you'll see that I'm more than willing to learn, if there is something too

THAT is lack of Imaan! If you have Imaan and fear of ALLAH, who cares what the world says!

More playing the victim card, if you had TRUE iman then you'd be willing to go against the Mulla and read what Allah SWT the creator said

 

[Dubious]

That is soo true...When I was in that area, it was well known that Christian missionaries were forcefully converting Muslims in Indonesia as well as Philippines! This is why when Dr.Zakir's tv channel launched (worldwide) people could relate to how the Christians had controlled all the media and the need for Muslims to be ahead in those fields too.

But sadly, it was Muslims themselves who went and tore Dr.Zakir's reputation! Won't talk about that....do not need a radical massacre on this thread!

Haha stop posting the fake video forcetribe watch the real videos this thing in Indonesia has been proven fraud and in many cases which they show as former Muslims were not even Muslims before

Those calling it a fraud are living in denial. Such things did take place. However, I am not sure to what degree!