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Pakistan, China ‘keen to get hands on leaked subs documents’

I was reading the comments and then pick above one of username "NEHA" from here.

http://www.firstpost.com/world/scor...of-information-war-against-india-2975244.html
An Indian lady comment on indian website I liked and wanted to share.......

Nobody knows what's going to happen now. This is so unprecedented, I'm sure the Navy brass, and everyone in South Block is running helter-skelter trying to find a way to manage the damage this has caused. The first step, I guess would be to assess how compromising the leak is. As in, can the Navy live with certain devaluation in capability while evolving tactics and operations to remain an effective force? If not, can the subs be redesigned at a reasonable cost to mitigate the effects of the leak? Or would it be better off cancelling the program and eating whatever costs have been incurred till date?

If the decision to cancel the whole program is taken, what alternatives does India have? My guess is that the Lada-class submarine, built in Russian yards, will appear very attractive. The Russian submarine program was allowed to continue with near-Soviet levels of funding for years after the collapse of the USSR, and it shows. Their latest gear is very impressive.

The Japanese might decide to throw a monkey wrench into works and offer the Soryu to India. Who knows? They're smarting from their loss in Australia, and they might view India as a saving grace of sorts. In parallel, India will have no choice but to expand the languid Arihant program as well.

But coming back to my point, cancellation would surely be on the table. The French aren't helping with their snooty attitude. Their indiscretion in trying to shift the blame on India is bound to backfire on them. They haven't exactly endeared themselves with the MoD by first deliberately delaying the transfer of technology for the Scorpene and then making remarks implying that they'd never sell technology as advanced as the Barracuda to India -- even if the latter was done to secure the Aussie deal. If the Scorpene is cancelled, you can bet that the Rafale will be a no-go as well. The French will effectively be blackballed from Indian military acquisition programs for years.

In the meantime, I'm sure the fine folks at the Pentagon and at Rosobornexport are rubbing their hands in glee and in anticipation of what's to come.

The other possibility, of course, is that India would dismiss the leak as unimportant and brush the whole thing under the carpet. Issue some anodyne statements and get some reports in the media about how this doesn't really affect the Navy's ability to wage war. It would be nonsense, but it will keep the program on track; and within a few years, when all is forgotten, will help convey the appearance of strength. Which works well-enough for India with it's defensive strategic posture.



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Pakistan and China had these documents a long time back, probably since the original tender with Malaysia.

They are vanilla Scorpene manuals as far as I've heard.....bread and butter for an intelligence agency.....but something that a media group probably finds to be "top secret".

Still DCNS will have to check if the leak involved anything truly top secret and if this affects the Indian subs in anyway (which is mitigated by Indian customisation/modifications).

This is the summary of the long thread going on in indian defense section so far.

An update for members like @PaklovesTurkiye

Let me rephrase it as "I would be surprised if they had not got the hands on those documents till now if those were of some value for the both".
Nonetheless if the info was of no critical nature then neither India should be worried, nor should Indian members be. But judging from the anxiety of Indian Defence minister apparently things seem lil serious or he would have played it down in first media address of him there and then.
 
so the Indians are considered discards, lowly compared to Australians by French according to OP article:

" The DCNS in Paris suggests otherwise when it assures the Australian authorities (it has recently signed a deal worth of 50 billion dollars with Australia) that this sort of leak could not happen on the Australian submarine project because there are tighter controls on it as compared to that in the Indian project."According to the DCNS, as far as the Australian project is concerned, the company is responsible for safeguarding sensitive information both in France and in Australia, whereas in India it was merely “the provider”. Basically Indians are less important.

No wonder Pakistanis does the same.

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/pakistan-china-‘keen-to-get-hands-on-leaked-subs-documents’.446052/page-4#ixzz4IRtfqxKY
 
What's to stop the French releasing secrets of PNs Agosta 90b subs to keep IN happy?
 
Old news. Already got them, thanks to a special friend ;) ;)




Yeah. Was wondering this is actually not new news. Pakistanis were talking about very early....even months earlier about a French Submarine leak. But no details...and heck today its come out to be India's Submarine Project 22000 page document. :woot:
 
Let me rephrase it as "I would be surprised if they had not got the hands on those documents till now if those were of some value for the both".
Nonetheless if the info was of no critical nature then neither India should be worried, nor should Indian members be. But judging from the anxiety of Indian Defence minister apparently things seem lil serious or he would have played it down in first media address of him there and then.

Initially it was unclear what was involved in the leak (it takes time to go through the releases)....so of course it had to be taken seriously....and still dealt with respect now since there could be further leaks potentially on top of what has now been shown to be regular riffraff stuff.
 

French will loose all reliability as a supplier if the keep loosing documents...

Scorpean leak is sabotage (individual likely) not intentional
 
French will loose all reliability as a supplier if the keep loosing documents...

Scorpean leak is sabotage (individual likely) not intentional

These documents were not only about scorpean submarine. so what you think the linkage of this leak with sudden agusta 90b upgrade from turkey?
 
These documents were not only about scorpean submarine. so what you think the linkage of this leak with sudden agusta 90b upgrade from turkey?


Its a good move to upgrade using turkish systems...as these are pretty unknown in terms of capabilities...
Relation to scorpean leak...unlikey but possible...more likely is a planned upgrade as newly contracted chines subs are stil good 5 years ahead... i think
 
Its a good move to upgrade using turkish systems...as these are pretty unknown in terms of capabilities...
Relation to scorpean leak...unlikey but possible...more likely is a planned upgrade as newly contracted chines subs are stil good 5 years ahead... i think
why i am thinkiling in this way bec some news outlets are saying that leak happened around one or two years ago.
 

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