Pakistan-China Joint Air Force Exercise "Shaheen-IX 2020"

[CriticalThought]

The reference is that its his personal opinion as someone in the field.

Kiyon bechare ki naakh ragar rahe ho.. Jaane do yar.

So, moving the discussion forward, here is one practical use case for which it would make sense to leave behind 4 J-10s along with their pilots. The joint development of tactics and doctrine at the CCS. Sure, CCS takes inputs from the exercises, but in order to jointly develop further, the aircrafts along with crew need to be situated together for long periods. It wouldn't come as a surprise if some JF-17s along with pilots are situated somewhere in China as well.

All of this is pure speculation on my part.

 

[Xone]

Proof that PAF must already know well the capabilities of the Typhoon/Rafale.

So, moving the discussion forward, here is one practical use case for which it would make sense to leave behind 4 J-10s along with their pilots. The joint development of tactics and doctrine at the CCS. Sure, CCS takes inputs from the exercises, but in order to jointly develop further, the aircrafts along with crew need to be situated together for long periods. It wouldn't come as a surprise if some JF-17s along with pilots are situated somewhere in China as well.

All of this is pure speculation on my part.

Nothing implausible is your speculations, It is only extensive version of what is already going on. I don't think situation have gone wrong to such a level at our eastern front as of now. If something bigger is in waiting, then I would say, Pakistan and China may go in war together side by side to confront someone at bigger scale. It is my addition to the speculation.

 

[AMRAAM]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1339950605364850688

 

[Caprxl]

COAS visits PAF base to view Shaheen IX exercises.

 

[KurtisBrian]

Nothing implausible is your speculations, It is only extensive version of what is already going on. I don't think situation have gone wrong to such a level at our eastern front as of now. If something bigger is in waiting, then I would say, Pakistan and China may go in war together side by side to confront someone at bigger scale. It is my addition to the speculation.

Or perhaps China threatens India so India must leave Pakistan alone. Pakistan then gets to build Pakistan infrastructure and economy instead of the state of being consumed by India's threat of war.....
Zulfikar Ali Bhutto — 'We(Pakistan) will eat grass, even go hungry, but we will get one of our own (Atom bomb).... We have no other choice!' what would such a statement leave for Pakistani to build their lives, country and economy?

 

[Deino]

KJ-500 and eventually a Y-9G in the background confirmed!

 

[ghazi52]

 

[kursed]

Good to see my call on GX-11 being right.

 

[Deino]

 

[Windjammer]

 

[iLION12345_1]

I sometimes feel bad for Deino. He is too realistic for many Pakistanis.

 

[Deino]

I sometimes feel bad for Deino. He is too realistic for many Pakistanis.

Oh well ... the best saying came from this forum not so long ago (unfortunately I don't remember who it was): Never invite a German to a party unless he pays for the beer.

Cheers.

 

[Raider 21]

Pakistan Got Friends: Pak Military Officer Hails China, Pakistan Joint Air Force Drills As India Watches In Awe – WATCH

Published 16 hours ago on December 14, 2020
By Aakriti Sharma

A senior Pakistani military officer has reportedly said that the month-long joint air force drill between Pakistan and China near the India border is a message to New Delhi that “we have friends too”.
While Pakistan fears it might be attacked by India, it also believes the chances of an India-China war are almost nil despite the months-long border standoff in Eastern Ladakh. “With this exercise, we send a clear message to India. We have friends too,” a senior Pakistani military officer told Nikkei Asia, requesting anonymity.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1336674479938760709

Like the China-Pakistan bonhomie has raised alarms for New Delhi, the growing military cooperation between India and the US has created some discomfort for Islamabad, which has long maintained cordial relations with Washington.
According to the Pakistani military officer, the Islamic country feels threatened following the signing of the Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement (BECA) on geospatial cooperation between the US and India, which allows New Delhi to access American satellite intelligence for better weapon accuracy.
No More US F-16 for Pakistan?
While Pakistan finds itself in a difficult spot maintaining cordial ties with the US considering the tensions between Beijing and Washington, the Pakistan Air Force is not using American F-16 fighter jets during the joint exercise with China.
The move has been highlighted by the Chinese media. The air force drill — Shaheen (Eagle) – IX or ‘Xiongying’ in Chinese — is taking place at Bholari in Sindh, northeast of Pakistan’s Karachi city, close to India’s Gujarat border.
A video released by the Pakistan Air Force shows a variety of military aircraft. The Chinese news website Sohu released satellite images showing the Chinese Air Force Chengdu J-10, Shenyang J-11B, and Y-20A at the Bolari Air Force Base in Pakistan.

According to reports, Pakistan dispatched F-7 fighter jets, French Dassault Mirage 5 attack aircraft and new multi-purpose JF-17 Thunder fighter jets. Pakistan has said no American equipment, such as the F-16, has been deployed. The decision has made the Chinese happy as the Chinese media report said that Pakistan Air Force, which had American F-16 and French Phantom fighters as its mainstay in the past, is now more fond of Chinese weapons.
“It is said that the Pakistan Air Force now desperately wants Chinese J-10C fighters,” according to a Chinese media report. The Pakistan Air Force uses a mix of US, French and Chinese hardware, but its economic and political proximity to China and rough relations with India have pushed it into Beijing’s orbit.
The two sides have agreed on increasing their engagement in combat training and joint drills. A week before the drills began on December 9, China and Pakistan also signed a defense pact, seen as a counter to the India-US BECA agreement.
While the details of the Pakistan-China agreement have not been made public yet, it is believed that the deal contains commitments to intelligence-sharing that would help Pakistan track the movements of Indian forces across their tense border.
The India-Pakistan relations hit a new low in 2019 when the Modi government scrapped Article 370, stripping Jammu and Kashmir of its special status. On the other hand, the Pakistan-China ties are not limited to the economic reason linked to the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor project alone. The two side have also strengthened their military cooperation, perhaps due to the ongoing border stand-off between Indian and Chinese troops.
Amid China’s trade war with the US, Washington has shifted its attention to India for enhancing its Indo-Pacific strategy to counter China. Now Pakistan, which had partnered with the US in Afghanistan to outsmart the Soviet Union during the Cold War, still wants to maintain cordial ties with Washington.
The Pakistani officer cited above has said that the US and Pakistan have been not only transactional allies but also dependable on each other. Recalling receiving F-16s in return for Pakistan facilitating the American invasion of Afghanistan, the officer said, “Now, the Americans have found a new friend in the Indians. But they should know better”.

Pakistan Got Friends: Pak Military Officer Hails China, Pakistan Joint Air Force Drills As India Watches In Awe – WATCH

A senior Pakistani military officer has reportedly said that the month-long joint air force drill between Pakistan and China near the India border is a message to New Delhi that “we have friends too”. Follow EurAsian Times on Google News 10 Reasons Why India’s LCA Tejas Will Be ‘Shot-Down’ By...

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Below average article. With spices of bullshit applied

 

[MastanKhan]

Just a comment that all the J-10s participating in this exercise will NOT GO BACK TO CHINA.

Mr Malik,

You know that you are stirring up emotions in some who would hate for us to get the J10's because we have 'no money'.

Can you provide a reference for that please?

Hi,

Indeed---I would for once like to get a reference---an email---or something that pakistan cannot get freebees from china.

 

[Talon]

I am just trying to imagine a dog fight at 30000 ft with a JF-17 in hot pursuit of a J-10 with low-vis markings. The Thunder has managed to get onto the tail of the Dragon at a distance of 1-2 km. The Dragon banks hard. Assuming a clean engine exhaust, the dragon would be near invisible to the eye. And this has a psychological effect. Even if the radar paints it on the screen, to get a radar lock you need to position the nose relative to an invisible jet.

Do note that this is speculation on may part.

Starting a dogfight at 30000 ft is not a good idea in the first place, baqi baaten baad me

So, moving the discussion forward, here is one practical use case for which it would make sense to leave behind 4 J-10s along with their pilots. The joint development of tactics and doctrine at the CCS. Sure, CCS takes inputs from the exercises, but in order to jointly develop further, the aircrafts along with crew need to be situated together for long periods. It wouldn't come as a surprise if some JF-17s along with pilots are situated somewhere in China as well.

All of this is pure speculation on my part.

CCS is a thing of the past now..there are more advanced courses and schools in PAF