Pakistan Army Officially Inducted LY-80 MR-SAM System

[Cool_Soldier]

My main concern is that why is Army getting such a long range SAM system ? Why not PAF.

Is there coordination between Army & PAF so that in war by accident PAF aircraft is not shot down by mistake or PAF systems don't shoot down an army asset. Airforce has a very sophisticated radar network and command & control network, in my view such systems should have been the responsibility of PAF. Army should have FM-90 kind of systems for point defence, and PAF should get the medium & long range SAM systems & again i would say that Army & Airforce should have a very well thought out strategy & mechanisms in place so that tomorrow in war they don't shoot down each others assets. IFF systems should be placed in each assets and both forces systems should be able to talk between themselves.

Air defence comes under Army army Air defence, That is why most of air defence equipments are with them.

There is always co ordination among all services in peace and war times

 

[ozranger]

Then why all the confusing 2 names use the official name given by Chinese

HQ-16 is a PLA designation, while LY-80 is a name of a product line from the missile developer. The company also provides LY-90, whose technology has already been transferred to Pakistan for indigenous manufacturing.

 

[IceCold]

Its max high altitude is 25 km where as Buk M-3 have 35km max altitude, so its not very good against BMs may be effective against SRBMs.

But @wanglaokan said the one Pakistan got is tailored made and goes up to 50kms. Also there is another theory as stated by @TaimiKhan that such system makes sense with PAF and not army as its the air force which is guardian of Pakistan airspace and also because they have such dense radar coverage with army only getting point defence system. But still its the army that has procured this system so can we assume that army has other roles in mind other than air defence?

 

[alimobin memon]

Hi what are pros of ly80E compared to older variants ? LY80 radar is 3d AESA or ?

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Designated ''Hasan'', it seems the system is beyond the 45 Km range.

'Hasan' (LY-80 SAM system) will provide much needed defence umbrella to Pakistan's strategic assets from rival India @OfficialDGISPR

The mention of "strategic assets" is very meaningful. Considering our entire Ballistic missile force is mobile and on TELs, maybe these new additions will be part of the whole strike package to ensure the safety of our strategic forces from aerial threats when on the move during war.

 

[Mughal-Prince]

During Ideas 2016 I have been to its stall and seen LY-80.
What I come to know is its a surprise package I would say thats enough said .

 

[NakedLunch]

The mention of "strategic assets" is very meaningful. Considering our entire Ballistic missile force is mobile and on TELs, maybe these new additions will be part of the whole strike package to ensure the safety of our strategic forces from aerial threats when on the move during war.

 

[EndangeredSpecies]

50 KM range, not enough to defend against a fighter equipped with a stand-off weapon like Brahmos. Or Radar good enough to track a missile moving faster than 300 m/s.

 

[NakedLunch]

50 KM range, not enough to defend against a fighter equipped with a stand-off weapon like Brahmos. Or Radar good enough to track a missile moving faster than 300 m/s.

You really didnt think that one through did you? LOL!

 

[EndangeredSpecies]

You really didnt think that one through did you? LOL!

You need to learn to express yourself clearly. Quite an ambiguous statement you have there. .... LOL ?

 

[Gryphon]

Each System is composed of 12 launchers, and each battery is composed of 4 launchers, 6 batteries will make 2 systems and 9 batteries will make 3 systems

Each system / battery has upto 4 launchers.

 

[EndangeredSpecies]

Each system / battery has upto 4 launchers.

Looks like a standard architecture.. Similar to Barak 8 India has. More range (80-90 KM for Barak vs 50 KM HQ-16) but slower missiles (2 MACH for Barak vs 3 MACH)

Previously, India was not in MCTR so buying SAM systems from Israel was hard, especially which were join developed with USA. Now, it will be easier. Israel is willing to sell Barak 8 ER missile with range 150 KM.

Preveously Unkel denied us Israeli Arrow ABM system. Though we got their Green Pine Radar anyways via a JV.

 

[The Deterrent]

@The Deterrent sir your thoughts? Also how effective would this system be lets say against Indian prithvi or Agni series if HQ 9 is also added to the mix? I know we wont be using it against anything but aircrafts but for the sake of argument what if we decide to do than?

Maybe they can work against Prithvi series (which has been withdrawn from nuclear role anyway), but most probably not against the Agni series.
The question should be about BrahMos, which is a very potent threat against PA assets.

 

[TaimiKhan]

Air defence comes under Army army Air defence, That is why most of air defence equipments are with them.

There is always co ordination among all services in peace and war times

Before induction of FM-90 & LY-80, Pak Army Air Defence relied on MANPADS & guns only. FM-90 is the first system that Pak Army got which gave them air defence capability in the beyond visual range area otherwise it was MANPADS only for them.

It was the Air Force which had in service with them the French Crotale SAM systems before anyone else and then the Aspide 2000 / Spada system.

Since PAF owns the majority of the air defence radars and has a command and control since many decades, i believe its their responsibility to have the Medium & Hi altitude SAM systems. Army should concentrate on point defence systems to protect its forward HQs & armor formations, and leave rest of the country to PAF.

Its wastage of resources, but if these systems are to be used for the protection of strategic assets then may be. But then again with long range precision weaponry coming into play and cruise missiles, effectiveness of such systems remain a question.

 

[IceCold]

The question should be about BrahMos, which is a very potent threat against PA assets.

So can it? Specially since after signing MTCR India can now get the increased range version of Brahmos from Russia.
Also what about Nibra, another one of their cruise missile that keeps on failing but eventually they will get it right and that will also add to the existing threat of Barhmos.