PAK Navy successfully intercepts Indian Submarine, foils intrusion

[CodeforFood]

Hi,

The situation needs to be escalated---. A nation cannot live like cowards forever---.

This was pure COWARDICE---.

The indians dared us to take the sub out---by choice or in error---. It should have been allowed to come in as much as it could---.

It is the same thing as Paf did---it allowed the enemy planes to go back---.

If the pakistani public and some politicians had not blasted the PAF---they would have stayed cowed down as long as they could have---.

Mujahid Anwar Khan is no warrior---.

Sohail Aman was---.

The Atlantique should have been avenged---.

@MastanKhan
Kind sir,
It is a little too late to or in other words not the right time to avenge Atlantique.
You yourself have said that Pakistan need more air support units before we can be more belligerent. As it stands, based on the visible defense resources we have, we cannot initiate the escalation on our own. The only time Pakistan can consider to be belligerent is when it go into do 'and' die mode. Yes we have the resources for that. Now I would not know who would be the warrior and who is not, but what I see here is that ample response has been provided from all three forces given the amount of resources at hand.

Now if we did have say 300 odd JF17(2s), 100 odd vipers, and ample dedicated support for Navy, I would not feel so strongly against your view point.

 

[Cornered Tiger]

Guess what? Kalvari has not Torpedoes as well at present.

 

[El Sidd]

Guess what? Kalvari has not Torpedoes as well at present.

change your avatar

 

[Cornered Tiger]

change your avatar

Any reason?

 

[Rafi]

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here is a defense analyst for you. now you tell me which navy's submarine would want its enemy to know where she is.

Bitch caught with her pants down, "yeah I wanted you to see my ar$e." LOL.

 

[El Sidd]

Any reason?

tigers are almost extinct

 

[Signalian]

The biggest blunder they did, was to send the Kalvari class, probably they were testing it's capability, but they exposed it's acoustic and magnetic signatures, which are basically fingerprints for every vessel and are kept a secret, and now we have them.

What i get from your post is that one submarine (INS Kalvari) has compromised the following five submarines (Scorpene) even before they could be inducted into service.

1. INS Khanderi
2. INS Karanj
3. INS Vela
4. INS Vagir
5. INS Vagsheer

The first two are on sea trails, while the rest three are under construction. Their signatures should be matching if not exact.

IN sent out its best submarine (non nulcear), since its sister service IAF had sent the Mig-21 (the most outdated aircraft in service) however the result was not favorable for both services. This basically means that whatever Indian Military is throwing at Pakistan, whether its the most modern in inventory or or the most obsolete, is either being detected or destroyed. The IA is already engaging PA on LOC and other sectors adjacent to LOC. The India Media front takes a hit everyday and changes narratives. This is what the frustration of covering up lies and trying fruitlessly to malign Pakistan's image has brought India to ! The next expected move was NDS and TTP services springing into action from Afghanistan, which has been detected by intel wings of Pakistan already. Its like Pakistan and its Military are always one step ahead of the game.

The Biggest Planner sitting atop the universe is exposing and thwarting the plans of enemies of Pakistan.

 

[MastanKhan]

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here is a defense analyst for you. now you tell me which navy's submarine would want its enemy to know where she is.

Hi,

What is surprising is that why would indian navy do something like that---. a submarine has a noise signature---. The opponent is desperately looking to listen to that signature---.

Why would the indians expose their subs---. what were they trying to get to---.

Were they trying to capture our signature---the signature of our aircraft that were tracking the sub---.

 

[CodeforFood]

What i get from your post is that one submarine (INS Kalvari) has compromised the following five submarines (Scorpene) even before they could be inducted into service.

1. INS Khanderi
2. INS Karanj
3. INS Vela
4. INS Vagir
5. INS Vagsheer

The first two are on sea trails, while the rest three are under construction. Their signatures should be matching if not exact.

IN sent out its best submarine (non nulcear), since its sister service IAF had sent the Mig-21 (the most outdated aircraft in service) however the result was not favorable for both services. This basically means that whatever Indian Military is throwing at Pakistan, whether its the most modern in inventory or or the most obsolete, is either being detected or destroyed. The IA is already engaging PA on LOC and other sectors adjacent to LOC. The India Media front takes a hit everyday and changes narratives. This is what the frustration of covering up lies and trying fruitlessly to malign Pakistan's image has brought India to ! The next expected move was NDS and TTP services springing into action from Afghanistan, which has been detected by intel wings of Pakistan already. Its like Pakistan and its Military are always one step ahead of the game.

The Biggest Planner sitting atop the universe is exposing and thwarting the plans of enemies of Pakistan.

There is indeed something going on..

 

[Rafi]

Hi,

What is surprising is that why would indian navy do something like that---. a submarine has a noise signature---. The opponent is desperately looking to listen to that signature---.

Why would the indians expose their subs---. what were they trying to get to---.

Were they trying to capture our signature---the signature of our aircraft that were tracking the sub---.

For Submariners, Stealth is everything if you are detected the battle is over, this is a slap in the face for the IN.

 

[Thorough Pro]

People are not understanding the acoustic signatures.
It's a combination of all the sounds that a vessel produces including the sounds generated by the propellers, vibration sounds produced by the machinery on board, sound of hull moving in water etc etc these sounds can not be changed to spoof the sensors. Besides sensors are, simply put, microphones that listen to every sound and the detection systems matches these sound frequencies against data in their database to identify an object moving through water.

Signatures are only as good as the sensors receiving them. A spoofer doesn't need to replicate them exactly, he just needs to cause the sensor to 'see' something that isn't there. We need to be extremely vigilant here, because this type of warfare would be the hallmark of Israelis. Another point to note, the enemy could have modified the signatures on purpose to feed wrong data into our database. We should not consider the enemy incompetent.

 

[MastanKhan]

For Submariners, Stealth is everything if you are detected the battle is over, this is a slap in the face for the IN.

Hi,

That is understood---but the question arises---why do it---what was the reason behind---what was the game plan---show the left and hit with the right---.

Did another submarine slip by un-noticed---.

No navy pops their primo sub like that in enemy water---. This is not an acceptable practise---.

 

[CodeforFood]

People are not understanding the acoustic signatures.
It's a combination of all the sounds that a vessel produces including the sounds generated by the propellers, vibration sounds produced by the machinery on board, sound of hull moving in water etc etc these sounds can not be changed to spoof the sensors. Besides sensors are, simply put, microphones that listen to every sound and the detection systems matches these sound frequencies against data in their database to identify an object moving through water.

We should not be that sure, in my opinion, one could always create/add a particular sound to the overall acoustics emanating. The listening system would only listen to whatever comes their way.

 

[Thorough Pro]

LOL, why would anyone add more sound to a weapon which is supposed to be quite?
It's like saying adding a radar reflector on F22 so it is identified as something other than F22, what difference does that make, once you are detected you are dead.

We should not be that sure, in my opinion, one could always create/add a particular sound to the overall acoustics emanating. The listening system would only listen to whatever comes their way.

 

[Rafi]

Hi,

That is understood---but the question arises---why do it---what was the reason behind---what was the game plan---show the left and hit with the right---.

Did another submarine slip by un-noticed---.

No navy pops their primo sub like that in enemy water---. This is not an acceptable practise---.

They are underestimating us, they have a weird inferiority complex. We are showing that we have competent people and institutions and they simply can't believe that.