Pak-Iran gas pipeline: Russia wants contract without bidding

[Areesh]

i'm afraid once Russians come pakistanis will start hating them too like before - just like they used to love US before it came here. and then now they hate US.

though i hope for their best.

We hate USA because it is messing with our sovereignty. They are meddling in our internal issues. Why we will hate Russia if they don't do anything like this. And it is all business deal as far as Pak-Iran gas pipeline is concerned.

 

[farhan_9909]

Accepted..........

 

[ice_man]

Under the guarantee agreement, Pakistan is bound to start first flow of gas in 2014 and will have to pay a penalty equal to the cost of 750 mmcfd of gas which amounts to $8 million per day if it fails to receive gas by the stipulated time.

hell give it to somalians if you have to but start the work!!! because we don't have time!!!! soon we will be paying fines for a prjoect that hasn't even seen ground breaking yet!!!!! give it to russians or chinese or anyone but get it started!!

 

[Kompromat]

Iran provides , Russian builds , Pakistan Secures , India and China consume. Who could dare **** up with 5 nuclear powers ?

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

Iran provides , Russian builds , Pakistan Secures , India and China consumes. Who could dare **** up with 4 nuclear powers ?

I think India has already expressed its reservations to any pipeline through Pakistan. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[SamranAli]

i'm afraid once Russians come pakistanis will start hating them too like before - just like they used to love US before it came here. and then now they hate US.

though i hope for their best.

u can also join discusion without troll but u started burning.

 

[Kompromat]

I think India has already expressed its reservations to any pipeline through Pakistan. Correct me if I'm wrong.

its too good to refuse or pay 10X more to pipe gas through sumbarine pipeline from Oman.

It should be used as a peace and trust building opportunity , Tomorrow you would want Moscow to New dehli train and freeway , would you express "reservations" on that too ?

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

its too good to refuse or pay 10X more to pipe gas through sumbarine pipeline from Oman.

It should be used as a peace and trust building opportunity , Tomorrow you would want Moscow to New dehli train and freeway , would you express "reservations" on that too ?

Frankly, I would wait for something BIG in Indo-Pak relations, something like the resolution of Kashmir, before I entrust the fate my industry to a country with whom we have a gaping trust deficit.

 

[Omar1984]

i'm afraid once Russians come pakistanis will start hating them too like before - just like they used to love US before it came here. and then now they hate US.

though i hope for their best.

As long as they don't invade Afghanistan or interfere in Pakistan's internal affairs, the relationship should be fine. The reason why Russia-Pakistan relations were not good in the past is because the SOviets invaded Afghanistan, this is the same reason why there is anti-americanism in Pakistan today...but Soviets never attacked Pakistani territory.

Anyways, now even Pakistan is offering the Russians the reason why they invaded Afghanistan:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...7-pakistan-give-access-russia-warm-water.html

So displomacy works better than wars.

 

[user1]

Probably a month back there were some news about IP pipeline being funded by and extended to China. What happened to that proposal?

Doesn't Russia already has stakes in TAPI pipeline? This bid should go to Chinese. They have extensive experience of working in Pakistan.

 

[Secur]

Just because russia wants to do do business, with you, it doesnt mean strategic partnership
Russia wants to build this, not because of u, its because of iranians, cos they are the only power who can bear american sanctions, inspite of building the pipeline... The russians want to help iranians, u play a part in the russian geopolitical game, but ur part is not a major one.. They know what they are doing.... Dont jump to conclusions....

Yes , its all business but because of our geo strategic location in the region ... Russians aren't fools to fraternize with their past enemy for no reason ... And how come India is even related in the whole process tbh ? ... Why would they build the pipeline for the Iranians who are having no effect with the sanctions ? ... To tell the truth , the Russians are planning to have a long term strategic partnership with Pakistan and hence all these agreements and offers ... Dont be surprised , if after some years they start selling weapons to us ... Our part is the most important one ... You will realize this in a few years ... We aren't jumping to conclusions ourselves ... Latest developments in the region are making us do that ...

Pak is Russia’s ‘most important’ partner in South Asia: Putin | Firstpost

“Pakistan today is not an important trade and economic partner of Russia, but also most important Russian partner in South Asia and in the Islamic world,” Putin was quoted as saying at his meeting with Pakistani Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani.
With deterioration of Islamabad’s ties with Washington, Moscow is seeking a closer relationship with India’s arch-rival with the blessing of China — Pakistan’s “all-weather” friend.


The Hindu : Today's Paper / INTERNATIONAL : Russian power boost for Pakistan, Afghanistan
Russia's Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has offered to invest “at least $500 million” in a Central Asian electricity project that will provide energy to Afghanistan and Pakistan. Mr. Putin made the offer at a one-day meeting of the Prime Ministers of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation held in St. Petersburg on Monday.
“Russia is willing to commit at least $500 million into this project,” said Mr. Putin. “We could implement this project in a fairly short time and we propose intensifying work in this direction.”
Under the Central Asia-South Asia Electricity Trade and Transmission Project, CASA 1000, hydropower-rich Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan will export 1,000MW of electricity to power-deficit Afghanistan and Pakistan. CASA-1000 is one of the projects that may be undertaken by a proposed energy club of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation.
“We support the idea of setting up the SCO energy club,” said Mr. Putin. He added that the decision to form the energy club had been approved.

Helping hand: Russia pledges $1 billion for steel and electricity – The Express Tribune
ISLAMABAD: Russia has announced a grant of $500 million for reviving the financially troubled Pakistan Steel Mills and also shown willingness to finance $500 million for a 1,000 megawatt regional electricity transmission project. The two premiers, on the sidelines of the summit, also expressed willingness to speed up work on the proposed Free Trade Agreement and currency swap deal to boost bilateral trade and further strengthen economic ties.

So would you mind changing your statement now ?

 

[Omar1984]

Probably a month back there were some news about IP pipeline being funded by and extended to China. What happened to that proposal?

Doesn't Russia already has stakes in TAPI pipeline? This bid should go to Chinese. They have extensive experience of working in Pakistan.

TAPI is in America's interest and not in Pakistan's and the region's interests. Afghanistan is an unstable country, so why sign deals with Karzai who can leave Afghanistan permanently any day now.

 

[Awesome]

Not without bidding... China is there if we wanted to do that but make them bid.

Do everything with process otherwise foreign countries won't respect you.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Yes , its all business but because of our geo strategic location in the region ... Russians aren't fools to fraternize with their past enemy for no reason ... And how come India is even related in the whole process tbh ? ... Why would they build the pipeline for the Iranians who are having no effect with the sanctions ? ... To tell the truth , the Russians are planning to have a long term strategic partnership with Pakistan and hence all these agreements and offers ... Dont be surprised , if after some years they start selling weapons to us ... Our part is the most important one ... You will realize this in a few years ... We aren't jumping to conclusions ourselves ... Latest developments in the region are making us do that ...

Pak is Russia’s ‘most important’ partner in South Asia: Putin | Firstpost

“Pakistan today is not an important trade and economic partner of Russia, but also most important Russian partner in South Asia and in the Islamic world,” Putin was quoted as saying at his meeting with Pakistani Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani.
With deterioration of Islamabad’s ties with Washington, Moscow is seeking a closer relationship with India’s arch-rival with the blessing of China — Pakistan’s “all-weather” friend.


The Hindu : Today's Paper / INTERNATIONAL : Russian power boost for Pakistan, Afghanistan
Russia's Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has offered to invest “at least $500 million” in a Central Asian electricity project that will provide energy to Afghanistan and Pakistan. Mr. Putin made the offer at a one-day meeting of the Prime Ministers of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation held in St. Petersburg on Monday.
“Russia is willing to commit at least $500 million into this project,” said Mr. Putin. “We could implement this project in a fairly short time and we propose intensifying work in this direction.”
Under the Central Asia-South Asia Electricity Trade and Transmission Project, CASA 1000, hydropower-rich Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan will export 1,000MW of electricity to power-deficit Afghanistan and Pakistan. CASA-1000 is one of the projects that may be undertaken by a proposed energy club of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation.
“We support the idea of setting up the SCO energy club,” said Mr. Putin. He added that the decision to form the energy club had been approved.

Helping hand: Russia pledges $1 billion for steel and electricity – The Express Tribune
ISLAMABAD: Russia has announced a grant of $500 million for reviving the financially troubled Pakistan Steel Mills and also shown willingness to finance $500 million for a 1,000 megawatt regional electricity transmission project. The two premiers, on the sidelines of the summit, also expressed willingness to speed up work on the proposed Free Trade Agreement and currency swap deal to boost bilateral trade and further strengthen economic ties.

So would you mind changing your statement now ?

Cmon dude, do u honestly think russia havent worked on indian reservations on its relationship with pakistan?
They have been worked upon, and india will not have any objections as long as the relationship is purely business...
Russians have nearly 50billion$ defence trade alone for the just next 15 years with us mate .....
Russia is concerned about its security from the recent bombings in moscow, it is funded by opium money and the terrorist are trained in afghan- pak border, so it now wants to come back to this area , to increase intelligence, fight against opium plantations in afghanistan etc.. So they need u,...
Selling weapons to pakistan is nearly impossible atleast for nearly 3 decades, seeing the amount of indian defence projects with our friends russia...

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Not without bidding... China is there if we wanted to do that but make them bid.

Do everything with process otherwise foreign countries won't respect you.

But will top chinese companies who do business with US bid for this project?
I mean after the sanctions, chinese demanded concessions and reduced the oil import from iran... So i think, a top chinese companies may not bid for this....

 

[ejaz007]

Cmon dude, do u honestly think russia havent worked on indian reservations on its relationship with pakistan?
They have been worked upon, and india will not have any objections as long as the relationship is purely business...
Russians have nearly 50billion$ defence trade alone for the just next 15 years with us mate .....
Russia is concerned about its security from the recent bombings in moscow, it is funded by opium money and the terrorist are trained in afghan- pak border, so it now wants to come back to this area , to increase intelligence, fight against opium plantations in afghanistan etc.. So they need u,...
Selling weapons to pakistan is nearly impossible atleast for nearly 3 decades, seeing the amount of indian defence projects with our friends russia...

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But will top chinese companies who do business with US bid for this project?
I mean after the sanctions, chinese demanded concessions and reduced the oil import from iran... So i think, a top chinese companies may not bid for this....

World is changing fast. Russian interests are changing. See the wider picture. India needs Russia more and not Russia. You do need spares for those 50 billion dollar equipment don't you.