Pak Asif Admits Publically We have Sponsored Terror for 40 Years

[Storm Force]

Lies cheating deception

This has LEFT your Kashmir claim in tatters

You have shot yourselves in the foot and pushed USA into New Delhi stragetic influence

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

Modi Mon recorded said you Indians supported mukti bahiani. We are just returning the favour

You are not enough strong to return the favour. India was much strong to break your country in two.
You will be failed even if each and every single kashmiri comes at the streat to throw stones.
But this is not the case yet. Indian democracy has enough support from the people of kashmir.

 

[Storm Force]

Kashmir dispute is Finished

IT died decades ago when kargil happened

NOW the world focuses on end of TERROR Islamic

 

[hussain0216]

Utter nonsense. Kashmir was an independent, free state according to the Indian Independence Act of 1947 passed by British Parliament to which both new dominions - India and Pakistan agreed.
The Maharaja of Kashmir signed a Standstill Agreement with the State of Pakistan which Pakistan violated.

It was a muslim majority state, its population wanted to be part of a muslim Pakistan where they could observe their own laws, culture and faith without being obstructed by a majority hindu population
The same aspirations of all indian muslims who wanted a free Pakistan


Forcing them into the indian union was a injustice


When india did this it created the bases of endless hate in the subcontinent, you cant complain that we hate you and refuse to work with you or move on from Kashmir problem because you created the problem by refusing to accept a muslim majority state did not want to be part of a hindu majority india

 

[Path-Finder]

Are Pakistan's allegations against RAW mere conspiracy theories? Are all of Pakistan's problems today entirely of its own making? Is RAW just a dis-interested spectator of the grisly drama being played out in Pakistan?

Let's try and answer these questions by looking at the history of the Indian spy agency and its successes claimed by retired Indian intelligence officer RK Yadav in his 2014 book "Mission R&AW". Although the book cites some of RAW's actions in China (Tibet), Sikkim (annexation) and Sri Lanka (creation and support of LTTE), most of it is devoted to Indian agents' accomplishments in destabilizing and disintegrating Pakistan.

Yadav's Book:
Here are some of the key Pakistan-related excerpts from Yadav's book:

On Pakhtunistan Page 21:

" Wali Khan (son of Abul Ghaffar Khan) wanted moral, political and other support from Mrs. Indira Gandhi. R.N. Kao sent hs deputy Sankaran Nair to negotiate as the Indian representative. Since Pakistan embassy was keeping watch on the movements of Wali Khan, the rendezvous was shifted to Sweden where Nair and another R&AW man of Indian mission I.S. Hassanwalia met Wali Khan. Subsequently all sorts of support was given to Wali Khan by the Indian Government till 1977 when Indira Gandhi lost election".

On Agartala Conspiracy Page 197:

"In view of the disclosures of S.K. Nair, it is evidently true that Mujib was implicated in the Agartala Conspiracy case at the instance of Pakistan Government. However, it is also true that other accused in this case were certainly agents of Intelligence Bureau (IB) in India"

On Fokker Hijacking in Srinagar Page 227:

There was an agent of R&AW-Hashim Qureshi in Srinagar.......R&AW persuaded Hashim Qureshi to work for them.....After the plan was given final shape, on January 30, 1971, Hashim Qureshi along with another operative Ashraf Qureshi, his relative, was allowed to hijack a Fokker Friendship plane ***** of Indian Airlines with 26 passengers on board, to take the plane to Lahore airport. R&AW allowed him to carry a grenade and a toy pistol inside the plane.

Pakisani authorities at Lahore airport allowed the plane to land when they were informed that it had been hijacked by National Liberation Front activist militants of Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. All India Radio soon made broadcast of this hijacking and the whole world was informed that the Pakistan Government was behind this hijacking...The incident overtly gave India the right opportunity which was planned by R.N. Kao, to cancel the flights of Pakistan over its territory which hampered the plans of Yahya Khan to send its troops by air to curb the political movement of Mujib in East Pakistan.

On Mukti Bahini Page 231:

Since the Indian Army was not prepared and well-equipped for an immediate army action at that point (March 1971), it was planned to raise and train a guerrilla outfit of the Bengali refugees of East Pakistan by R&AW which would harass the Pakistan Army till the Indian Army would be ready for the final assault to the liberation of East Pakistan. She (Indira Gandhi) then asked R.N. Kao, Chief of R&AW, to prepare all possible grounds for the army for its final assault when the clearance from General Maneckshaw was received for its readiness for the war.

On 3 RAW created Forces (Mujeeb Bahini, Special Frontier Force (SFF) and Kader Bahini Page 242:

"..He (Kader Siddiqui aka Tiger Siddiqui) was the main operative of R&AW in the most vital areas of strategic operation around Dacca... Kader Bahini played havoc with the communication system of the army (Pakistani), ambushed enemy columns, blew up supply and ammunition dumps and assaulted a number of enemy convoys.....all these three guerrilla outfits created by R&AW with the help of BSF and the (Indian) army proved a vital force .. "

Obviously, the author is silent on India's current activities against Pakistan, particularly its covert war being waged from Afghanistan through its agents who have infiltrated Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) and Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA).

Ajit Doval Speech:
For clues as to what Indian spooks are up to now, let's watch the video of a 2013 speech by Ajit Doval delivered before he was appointed by Indian Prime Minister Modi as his National Security Advisor (NSA). Here are a few snippets from Doval's lecture at Sastra University in Tamil Nadu:

"How do we tackle Pakistan? .. You make it difficult for them (Pakistan) to manage their internal security... Pakistan's vulnerability is many many times higher than India's....Taliban have beheaded 23 of their (Pakistani) soldiers...funding can be countered by giving more funds...more than one-and-a-half times the funding they have available and they'll be yours..the Taliban are mercenaries...go for more of a covert thing"



Pakistan's Narrative:

Is India responsible for all that is wrong with Pakistan today? Obviously not; however, its spies are promoting and exploiting the ethnic, regional, religious and sectarian fault lines that exist in Pakistan. RAW is instigating and thriving on the chaos gripping the Islamic Republic.

Pakistan's response to its problems of growing violence has to be comprehensive; it needs to deal with both internal and external causes.

It has to develop and promote a powerful counter narrative to appeal to misguided young men who are drawn to the militants making references to the Quran and the Hadith as part of their call to violence. The counter narrative has to explain the basics; it has to be based on the Quranic verses proclaiming Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) as Rehmat ul lil Alameen (Blessing to the worlds); it has to explain Misaq e Madina, the constitution of the first real Islamic State established by Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in Madina.

"This is a document from Muhammad the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace), governing relations between the Believers i.e. Muslims of Quraysh and Yathrib and those who followed them and worked hard with them. They form one nation -- Ummah."
It clearly says that all citizens of "Yathrib" (ancient name of Madina), regardless of their tribe or religion, are part of one nation--"Ummah". So the word "Ummah" here does not exclude non-Muslims.

Further into the "Misaq" document, it says: "No Jew will be wronged for being a Jew. The enemies of the Jews who follow us will not be helped. If anyone attacks anyone who is a party to this Pact the other must come to his help."
The Misaq assures equal protection to all citizens of Madina, including non-Muslim tribes which agreed to it. The contents of Misaq-e-Madina, Islam's first constitution approved by Prophet Mohammad 1400 years ago, appear to have inspired Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah vision of Pakistan where people of all religions and nationalities live in harmony with equal rights and protections under the law.

Advice to India:
The best and most sane advice that can be offered India now is to think of the consequences of its actions in destabilizing its neighbor; particularly the fact that it s a large nuclear-armed country with a population approaching 200 million. India may find some short-term satisfaction by inflicting huge damage to its neighbor. But what if it leads to Pakistan becoming a REALLY failed state triggering a massive refugee problem along India's long border?

What if the India-funded groups like TTP and BLA actually succeed in defeating the Pakistani military? What would that do to India? What if it triggers an unintended devastating nuclear war? I hope saner minds will prevail in New Delhi to prevent a major human catastrophe in South Asia.



http://www.riazhaq.com/2015/05/ex-in...successes.html

 

[hussain0216]

Kashmir dispute is Finished

IT died decades ago when kargil happened

NOW the world focuses on end of TERROR Islamic

Kashmir dispute is not finished its ongoing

Focus on so called islamic terror will only end when justice is given to open wounds like Palestine, Kashmir etc without it their will only be endless conflict


India started it by occupying a muslim population and Pakistan will not budge, it will not relent, it will not back off
We have built 150 nuclear warheads snd we will build more, we will by hook and crook snd effort build, buy or obtain any and all weapons to defend Pakistan and keep a gun cocked and pointed at india's head

It dosent matter who it is or where they are from but they have a friend in Pakistan if they are wanting to hurt india. India started this mess, this endless emnity and Pakistan will not end it until Kashmir is free

 

[war&peace]

We have and will keep supporting Kashmir's legitimate freedom struggle against the oppression and I have always stressed that we should take the next step and openly support them militarily.

 

[Storm Force]

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Kashmir dispute is not lll


India started it by occupying a muslim population and Pakistan will not budge, it will not relent, it will not back off
We have built 150 nuclear warheads snd we will build more, we will by hook and crook snd effort build, buy or obtain any and all weapons to defend Pakistan and keep a gun cocked and pointed at india's head

We have and will keep supporting Kashmir's legitimate freedom struggle against the oppression and I have always stressed that we should take the next step and openly support them militarily.

It dosent matter who it is or where they are from but they have a friend in Pakistan if they are wanting to hurt india. India started this mess, this endless emnity and Pakistan will not end it until Kashmir is free

It's finished there nothing you can do
We took saichen you did nothing
We liberated east Pakistan you did nothing

Talk is cheap with out national.Power compared to India you have no chance

We have and will keep supporting Kashmir's legitimate freedom struggle against the oppression and I have always stressed that we should take the next step and openly support them militarily.

What you waiting for

Stop hiding behind terror groups

Come out and try again you tried 65 71,99.

Like I said talk is cheap

 

[American Pakistani]

India has KNOWN for 40 years YOU forment trouble IN KASHMIR

there IS NO UPRISING just terror groups

YOUR leaders call THEM proxys

You deny
You lie
Your claim victiims of terror
You say your support USA in Afghan War
Your support Talban
you SUPPORT haqaani

Your nation and its strategic goal is completely obessed with India & Kashmir

AND you cant match them militarily or through Economic power or Soft Power

YOU USE TERROR

You have used terror 46 years ago in East Pakistan, 70 years ago when your terrorists landed in IOK. Before that you were using terrorists such as bhagat who were bombing British officials.

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It's finished there nothing you can do
We took saichen you did nothing
We liberated east Pakistan you did nothing

You took Siachin when Pakistan was not present.

You supported terrorists in East Pakistan when Pakistan was fighting civil war and was at its lowest times. Area was thousand of miles from mainland with no land route, enemy on 4 sides including air. Had Pakistan took advantage of your lowest times in 62, the sceneries would be very different. You back stabbed Pakistan and disregarded Tashkent Declaration. Are you proud of winning a war against mere 42k soldiers with no supplies, fighting almost 150,000 terrorists, 100,000 indian army on its home land and trying to calm civil uprising?

Come out and try again you tried 65 71,99.

Like I said talk is cheap

You tried in 47, 65, 99, 02, 08, what you acheived?

 

[Jackdaws]

It was a muslim majority state, its population wanted to be part of a muslim Pakistan where they could observe their own laws, culture and faith without being obstructed by a majority hindu population
The same aspirations of all indian muslims who wanted a free Pakistan


Forcing them into the indian union was a injustice


When india did this it created the bases of endless hate in the subcontinent, you cant complain that we hate you and refuse to work with you or move on from Kashmir problem because you created the problem by refusing to accept a muslim majority state did not want to be part of a hindu majority india

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Doesn't matter. Chittagong Hill Tracts was a Hindu/Buddhist majority region which was awarded to Pakistan. And this was not even a Princely State. Jinnah gave a carte blanche to the Maharaja of Jaisalmer to join Pakistan as well even though it had a Hindu majority. Pakistan even accepted the Instrument of Accession of Junagadh which was not only a Hindu majority but also was not geographically contiguous with Pakistan. You have a legal case on Junagadh - since legally it did accede to you. You don't have one in Kashmir.

Kashmiri culture and faith is intact. Go read up on how it was the other way around - Hindu Kashmiri Pandits were almost overnight forced out of their homes in the valley. I guess their culture and faith is expedient to you.

You have used terror 46 years ago in East Pakistan, 70 years ago when your terrorists landed in IOK. Before that you were using terrorists such as bhagat who were bombing British officials.



You took Siachin when Pakistan was not present.

You supported terrorists in East Pakistan when Pakistan was fighting civil war and was at its lowest times. Area was thousand of miles from mainland with no land route, enemy on 4 sides including air. Had Pakistan took advantage of your lowest times in 62, the sceneries would be very different. You back stabbed Pakistan and disregarded Tashkent Declaration. Are you proud of winning a war against mere 42k soldiers with no supplies, fighting almost 150,000 terrorists, 100,000 indian army on its home land and trying to calm civil uprising?



You tried in 47, 65, 99, 02, 08, what you acheived?

Seems not all Pakistanis think that way -

https://scroll.in/article/832549/bh...and-he-is-the-unlikely-hero-the-country-needs

No, we didn't take Siachen. Siachen was undemarcated.

Why do you have diplomatic relations with Bangladesh if Mujib and Mukti forces are terrorists? You don't have diplomatic relations with ISIS - so what's stopping you from claiming Bangladesh as East Pakistan?

 

[American Pakistani]

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Doesn't matter. Chittagong Hill Tracts was a Hindu/Buddhist majority region which was awarded to Pakistan. And this was not even a Princely State. Jinnah gave a carte blanche to the Maharaja of Jaisalmer to join Pakistan as well even though it had a Hindu majority. Pakistan even accepted the Instrument of Accession of Junagadh which was not only a Hindu majority but also was not geographically contiguous with Pakistan. You have a legal case on Junagadh - since legally it did accede to you. You don't have one in Kashmir.

Kashmiri culture and faith is intact. Go read up on how it was the other way around - Hindu Kashmiri Pandits were almost overnight forced out of their homes in the valley. I guess their culture and faith is expedient to you.



Seems not all Pakistanis think that way -

https://scroll.in/article/832549/bh...and-he-is-the-unlikely-hero-the-country-needs

No, we didn't take Siachen. Siachen was undemarcated.

Why do you have diplomatic relations with Bangladesh if Mujib and Mukti forces are terrorists? You don't have diplomatic relations with ISIS - so what's stopping you from claiming Bangladesh as East Pakistan?

You annexed Junagadh, Manvadar and Hyderabad Deccan claiming the people were Hindus so refrendum required, but your hypocrisy was exposed in IOK.

If Indians can think that Kashmiri fighting for freedom were terrorists then Pakistanis will start reciprocating by declaring your FF's as terrorists.

Siachin was occupied because india thought if it didn't take the area then Pakistan might. All based on if then scenerio.

Because Bangladesh was never supposed to be part of Pakistan, read 40's resolution. Even the name of Pakistan doesn't have any alphabet for "B' Bangladesh. Neither did Allama Iqbal's theory had Bangladesh as Pakistan. They along with Hyderabad Deccan were supposed to be separate countries from the start.

 

[Kaniska]

Pakistan will continue supporting kashmiri freedom. No matter what name India gives to it.
They are oppressed people who deserve international help, not just Pakistani help. India forced them by occupation to be part of India and keeping them as Indians by force. they should have their choice which way they want to go.

I beleive, there should be an understanding between India and Pakistan, where India should understand Pakistan position of supporting separatist element of Kashmir....And in the same way, Pakistan should also limit its interference in India with Kashmir only...

The challenge comes up when Pakistan and its support for millitants goes beyond Kashmir valley..Be it parliament attack, Akshardham or Mumbai attack on rest of this country.

If both of us has to live together understanding each others domestic political situation, Pakistan has to limit itself in Kashmir only...And if Pakistan agrees to this point, India should not indulge itself in any other place in Pakistan expect Balochistan...so that both nations know each others target...

 

[hussain0216]

Doesn't matter.

Of course it matters, its the core of the conflict, we didn't want to live with Hindus, we didn't trust Hindus and we believed in the message of Jinnah, but you forced an entire state of Muslims into a Indian Union full of Hindus.

The conflict emanates from this, if Pakistan hadn't acted quickly azad Kashmir and GB would also be stuck

Indian occupied Kashmir is unfinished business

Talk is cheap with out national.Power compared to India you have no chance

You overestimate your gutless nation, we took azad Kashmir and GB and to this day your jumping through hoops trying to circumnavigate

Mumbai was hit, your Parliament was hit and what did you do? Where was your army?

We have built up and continue to build a vast military complex, we have big plans for the future and our hostility toward India is front and centre to our plans

 

[Maarkhoor]

YOU can keep denying something WITHOUT proof

BUT when your Foreign Minsters & X leaders tell us you sponsor TERROR groups

THEN you cany deny it OR moan about

This is WHAT Pakistan GOVT an its military Is ALL ABOUT

@waz @The Eagle

Doctored / misleading title. Kindly close the thread.
He says Pakistan helping and helped Kashmiri freedom struggle, he did't say Pakistan help terrorists unloke Modi who openly admits helping insurgency in Baluchistan when many powerful nations declared BLA/BRA terror orgs.

 

[ziaulislam]

Pakistan will continue supporting kashmiri freedom. No matter what name India gives to it.
They are oppressed people who deserve international help, not just Pakistani help. India forced them by occupation to be part of India and keeping them as Indians by force. they should have their choice which way they want to go.

India has KNOWN for 40 years YOU forment trouble IN KASHMIR

there IS NO UPRISING just terror groups

YOUR leaders call THEM proxys

You deny
You lie
Your claim victiims of terror
You say your support USA in Afghan War
Your support Talban
you SUPPORT haqaani

Your nation and its strategic goal is completely obessed with India & Kashmir

AND you cant match them militarily or through Economic power or Soft Power

YOU USE TERROR

Look we know might is right, today politics dictate that india is right every where, but at least dont pretend to take moral high ground here

india is the only coutnry which has openly gone against UN resolutions, it has openly attacked a soverign country and call it war of freedom and even today openly admit insurgecy in another country

the difference between Kashmir and Baluchistan is that both india and Pakistan accept Kashmir as disputed territory and both accept Baluchistan as part of Pakistan, same is true for bengal, Sikkim, Goa and so on