PAF's First Aggressor Unit TDS

[gambit]

An 'aggressor' unit, whether air or ground, is not a casual investment or something for pilots to brag about.

Never mind using 'enemy' tactics and hardware. Those things are very important. But what is even more important is the QUALITY of the pilots in the program. There is no need for exaggeration by using nonsensical phrases like 'best of the best of the best of the best' and so on. Suffice to say that aggressor pilots MUST be the best of the entire air force.

It is not enough for an aggressor pilot to be that typical Type A personality. He must calculating in everything. Planning must be as natural as breathing. The pen comes before the stick. He must be dedicated to the mission, no matter how long he is with the unit, which is to provide the most realistic combat scenarios as possible, so this is where the pen comes in.

He must be a better than competent instructor and by that it means he must be able to deal with all types of personalities that comes before him. It is no good for the air force if he cannot impart all the knowledge he knows and skills he possesses. That does not mean everyone he trained will be as good as he is. That is not possible even under the best of environment. But what it means is that he must demonstrate that he can explain complex concepts to everyone. It will be up to those people to put those concepts into their flying.

Physically speaking, he must be in the best flying status. Not as good as possible. But the best. That does not mean he must fly all the time. If whenever he is not capable of flying his best, he does his students no good if he flies at less than his best because no one can afford to hope that the real enemy pilot is flying with inferior skills or physical conditions. The lesson is from WW II US Army Air Corps. After X number of combat missions, the pilot is sent home to train new pilots. The veteran is still in the prime of his flying condition but now with his experience, he will raise the bar, even if just slightly, of new graduating pilots who will enter the war.

Anyone that is less than the best from the force and you might as well scrap the program.

 

[Inception-06]

that's something innovative



all hope to survive a war is lost unless we immediately get our hands on some 5-6 squadrons of jh-7b's/ j11 d's/j-10b's ----------

BINGO ! I hope all the windowshoppers and F-16 Lollipop suckers do understand that!

 

[CHI RULES]

BINGO ! I hope all the windowshoppers and F-16 Lollipop suckers do understand that!

Considering PAF financial limitations ans induction of JF17 block3 in 2019-2020, further time frame involved to induct a new platform, PAF should directly go for FC31-5th Gen fighter jet off course with customized version, which can be started to be inducted after short span of time as and when JF17 next block induction starts.

The time to induct J10-11 has passed meanwhile JH7b is not a capable multi role fighter only a bomb truck suitable for big countries like China.

 

[Windjammer]

windy Bhai that's the usual mumbo jumbo we the civvies have been fed with for the last many decades . Come up with some thing interesting , it's not entertaining anymore

And you my dear think the armed forces are there to entertain us...
And when the shooting war starts, the men in khaki and blue are the ones who face bullets while the civvies sit in their comfort zones enjoying a balti....

 

[Tps43]

And you my dear think the armed forces are there to entertain us...
And when the shooting war starts, the men in khaki and blue are the ones who face bullets while the civvies sit in their comfort zones enjoying a balti....

and the men in white also

 

[Windjammer]

You also have to mention his beloved Fuucck-6teens, which are to less in numbers, not sanction prove, so we can say meaningless compared to bulk of IAF !

After 35 years of service, you are now doing well to criticize those F-16s.
The bitter truth is that the F-16 has been the saving grace of PAF....and if we didn't have these F-16s in 80s and 90s and during Swat operation....then you would understand the meaning of getting Fuucck......

 

[Yerusalem 4880 Kms]

Then What's Combat Commanders School and the units stationed there are for if they are not Aggressor units ? Or is it just Re-orientation and name changing of CCS based units

Your assumption is correct this is not a squadron but a unit based in CCS who plays role as aggressors to develop and test varies techniques.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

If it was a school Instructors , then we would already havae these entities from long time ago

However the fact it is a new unit that is being established , I am thinking a Agressor Surgical Strike Unit to take out Modi and his cabinet

Sukhoi-35 on the card (36-40 units)

"LICENCED TO KILL"​

 

[Inception-06]

.jnnnnn

that's something innovative



all hope to survive a war is lost unless we immediately get our hands on some 5-6 squadrons of jh-7b's/ j11 d's/j-10b's ----------

And you my dear think the armed forces are there to entertain us...
And when the shooting war starts, the men in khaki and blue are the ones who face bullets while the civvies sit in their comfort zones enjoying a balti....

The Civilians are all since 2001 already out of the comfort zone, I dont know what you are talking about, did you forget that Pakistani civilians have paid and are still paying a higher price than the armed Forces, ca. 100.000 dead and wounded civilians compare that to the number of the Military casualities ! Is our live not equal to Soldiers? We also have never have disappointed any Enemy of Pakistan.

And the F-16, I will not change my mind about this, the Funds which have been wasted on this American Lolipop-F-16 should have have been allocated for the Jf-17program or any other procurement.

 

[CHACHA"G"]

please reread what he wrote

Thanks to ALLAH , PAK forces are changing there "Defensive" force doctrine(looks like). Current doctrine of PAF and PN is against Islam , Quran and any modern warfare strategy .
You and your forces are useless if they cant go in to Enemy territory. simple , Isnt it?

I don't have any thing personal against you but As I guess , You are just behaving like a kid behind keyboard whos father or some one from family maybe in Uniform or any uncle on some high position.If you don't want to read and understand stop quoting my post , don't play angel , Thanks for advice But, Me and my family is old, Y not you start fixing your self , family and start educating your self, I have no interest in a person with childish behaviour who don't want to understand or get offended with others opinions.
Defensive Position and Defensive Doctrine both are completely different things , I hope you can differentiate in both.
And I also asked one question from you , How will You hit a target 1000Km to 1200KM deep in enemy territory ? Will you use JF-17 or F-16 or you will have proper machine for that or You will talk about Defensive Doctrine or Position?
@Mentee , Its not about Defensive Position its about Defensive Doctrine and Cry about it with loud open mouth, Its about not been able to hit enemy where it hurts the post (Conventionally) . Its about the fear in hurts of enemies.
Quran clearly said Have your Horses Ready and 1400 Years ago in Arab Lands Horse was the most expensive and luxury machine of War one can have.
One can not call white as black unless that person have some personal gains.

Note: What Israeli PM Golda Meir Learned from the Prophet Muhammad [PBUH]

She answered, "I got this logic from the Prophet (of the Muslims) Mohammed (peace be upon him). When I was a student, my favorite topic was comparative study of religions. Those days I studied the life of Mohammed (PBUH). One author stated that when Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) died, there was not enough money to buy oil for a lamp, his wife (Ayesha Siddiqa[Radi Allahu-ta'ala unha]) mortgaged his battle shield to buy oil, yet there were nine swords hung on the wall of his house.

When I read this account, it occurred to me- how many people in the world would have known about the worst economic condition of Islamic state? But everyone recognizes them as conquerors of half the world. So I decided that I would buy arms at any cost; even if we would have to starve or to live in camps instead of buildings, but we would prove ourselves as the victor".

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/what...earned-from-the-prophet-muhammad-pbuh.191915/

It's not haram to fight a defensive conflict lol, I'm a Salafi and even I don't think that.

I never said its haram !!!!!!!!!!!!!! I said crying about defensive doctrine with open loud mouth and only have defensive doctrine (don't work hard for proper offensive doctrine) is against Islam , and Modern Warfare........... Defensive Position is different then Defensive Doctrine.
Tell me one thing How PAF can hit IAF bases deep In Indian Territory?

 

[Trango Towers]

I don't have any thing personal against you but As I guess , You are just behaving like a kid behind keyboard whos father or some one from family maybe in Uniform or any uncle on some high position.If you don't want to read and understand stop quoting my post , don't play angel , Thanks for advice But, Me and my family is old, Y not you start fixing your self , family and start educating your self, I have no interest in a person with childish behaviour who don't want to understand or get offended with others opinions.
Defensive Position and Defensive Doctrine both are completely different things , I hope you can differentiate in both.
And I also asked one question from you , How will You hit a target 1000Km to 1200KM deep in enemy territory ? Will you use JF-17 or F-16 or you will have proper machine for that or You will talk about Defensive Doctrine or Position?
@Mentee , Its not about Defensive Position its about Defensive Doctrine and Cry about it with loud open mouth, Its about not been able to hit enemy where it hurts the post (Conventionally) . Its about the fear in hurts of enemies.
Quran clearly said Have your Horses Ready and 1400 Years ago in Arab Lands Horse was the most expensive and luxury machine of War one can have.
One can not call white as black unless that person have some personal gains.

Note: What Israeli PM Golda Meir Learned from the Prophet Muhammad [PBUH]


https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/what...earned-from-the-prophet-muhammad-pbuh.191915/


I never said its haram !!!!!!!!!!!!!! I said crying about defensive doctrine with open loud mouth and only have defensive doctrine (don't work hard for proper offensive doctrine) is against Islam , and Modern Warfare........... Defensive Position is different then Defensive Doctrine.
Tell me one thing How PAF can hit IAF bases deep In Indian Territory?

Again a typical old age answer of assuming.
No I don't have anything to do with the armed forces and don't have anyone high up. Fact is when you quote something as anti Islamic then back it up instead of hiding behind.....respect me I am old.
That's the trouble with pakistan you old people have hijacked Islam. Done nothing all your lives. Sit on a pedestal and lived a useless life and will die having done nothing.
P.S.....I don't want to talk to you eithere but don't miss quote our religion for your personal agenda. Goodbye

 

[Mentee]

no it isn't.....where does it say that when you take a defensive position its against islam? please quoet referneces from quran and hadith to justify your position. you are just backing chacha G out of loyalty.
regarding jihad.....have you been has chacha G been? or like all things its just talk?

all is well, happy ?

 

[Tps43]

all is well, happy ?

meri massi sakina

 

[Mentee]

And you my dear think the armed forces are there to entertain us...
And when the shooting war starts, the men in khaki and blue are the ones who face bullets while the civvies sit in their comfort zones enjoying a balti....

windy Bhai we ain't no more kids to be taken for a ride . Someone in the high offices of the air force have to explain to the "dumb civvies" that how are we going to daant khattay and bloody nose to the enemy with a rag tag air force like ours ? And who screwed the defense of the motherland ?

@CHACHA"G" leave these over optimistic , institutionalized fan boys. Let em live with their pseudo hopes which got nothing to do with reality .

and the men in white also

blasphemy!

 

[Tps43]

windy Bhai we ain't no more kids to be taken for a ride . Someone in the high offices of the air force have to explain to the "dumb civvies" that how are we going to daant khattay and bloody nose to the enemy with a rag tag air force like ours ? And who screwed the defense of the motherland ?

@CHACHA"G" leave these over optimistic , institutionalized fan boys. Let em live with their pseudo hopes which got nothing to do with reality .


blasphemy!

I think he missed it by mistake