PAF victories against Israeli Air Force, kept secret for 25 years - Air Commodore (r) Khalid Chishti

[mingle]

Not denying any achievements for the IDF/AF. They are a very capable air force in my understanding and their selection process & training pays off for it. The country exists because of them, just as how similarly it has been for Pakistan through history.

Cheers !!!

similar like PAF brighter one will fly best aircraft not seniority style

 

[War Thunder]

I guess the jordanian part of you cant forget the beatings the Israelis have given you over the decades

Also dont forget Black Friday and the role of Zia in that.... palestinian terrorist are far from innocent... just see what they have to say about kashmir before opening your garbage mouth

You continue to sound more and more dumb trying to defend your initial dumb comment.
Carry on

 

[Raider 21]

similar like PAF brighter one will fly best aircraft not seniority style

But very different setup. In fact the Israelis have it more strict. Not to mention their briefings are very democratic. A junior Viper pilot can question and critique the base commander if he or she made errors during a flight at the debriefs.

 

[KaiserX]

You continue to sound more and more dumb trying to defend your initial dumb comment.
Carry on

Israelis beat your ARAB LEGION who were even trained with the british to fight against the OTTOMANS and that to with only 6 obsolete mortars in their inventory.that is the KARMA GOD GAVE YOUR PEOPLE FOR BEING TRAITORS OF THE CALIPHAT TO BEGIN WITH.

Israelis further gave you a beating in 1967 and took Jersalem from your control... MAYBE THAT IS KARMA FOR HOW YOUR PEOPLE HAVE TREATED THE PALESTINIANS IN JORDAN TO BEGIN WITH.

Futhermore since Bajwa saab seems to be suffering from some mental disease where one day his soldiers getting killed by indians in balochistan the other day on the LOC then randomly calling for peace. You seem to be suffering from the same irratic behavior and disease.

Now close both your eyes and think for once who is right and wrong. If there is any sense left maybe your brain will get the picture. Also that is expected of a puppy slave like you.. 2 days ago an arab dog yesterday an iranian dog. surely showing your aukat and loyalty to everyone but PAKISTAN.

 

[PradoTLC]

Most of those air to air kills happened up until the end of 1973 war, in that era we had no advantage over the Arabs except in our tactics and strategy, they had us numerically and technologically. So you're wrong there.

nope...

you had better planes, EW and electronic intel equipment.

true your training was superior which explains the large margin of victories... but you are not the helpless lambs as you claim

 

[Beny Karachun]

Your posts are full of lies ..we had someone like you here before and all this was debated here before.. and he lost his credibility big time.. as you will too..

My posts are full of lies

Here you claim 300 Israeli jets shot down

We all know that just in 1973 Egypt shot down around 300 Usraeli fighter jets.. so go lie somewhere else..

Just read a few posts below

The IAF was rendered ineffectual in the 1973 October War by Egyptian and Syrian Surface-to-Air Missiles (SAMs). in 73 the advancing arab forces were covered by mobile SAM-6 missiles, shoulder-fired SAM-7 missiles, and radar-guided antiaircraft guns (Safran 1977, 136). It is only when arabs became overconfident and left the cover of the sams that Israel could do anything about it.
During the 73 war, the iaf lost 102 jet fighters and seven helicopters. Fifty-three aircrew members were killed and forty-four were captured’ (Brun 2011, 155-156).

nope...

you had better planes, EW and electronic intel equipment.

true your training was superior which explains the large margin of victories... but you are not the helpless lambs as you claim

Better planes? Nope. MiG-21 were capable fighters. Besides, the Arabs had large Tupelov strategic bombers which we didn't have.
There was no electronic warfare used back in 1973 war.

 

[Reichmarshal]

My posts are full of lies

Here you claim 300 Israeli jets shot down


Just read a few posts below





Better planes? Nope. MiG-21 were capable fighters. Besides, the Arabs had large Tupelov strategic bombers which we didn't have.
There was no electronic warfare used back in 1973 war.

Might 21 was n still is a short legged point defence figher, while the f 4 out matched it in the entire envelope i.e range, load etc.
During 73 iaf f 4 would wait for migs to run out of fuel and then engage them while the migs were in their finals the migs stood no chance. that was the iaf preferred tactic.

 

[Dil Pakistan]

I don't think it did, there's absolutely no evidence it did.

As for why, it's because Pakistan is too far away and unlike certain idiots in this forum believe, its government won't randomly decide to start a nuclear exchange with Israel.

What's your point? The pilots did not know who was a Pakistani pilot and who wasn't, Pakistani pilots weren't the only good pilots out in the battle. No one thought "Oh he's good, he must be a Pakistani pilot"

Are you sure?

@Beny Karachun

I beg to differ here.
You know it, and you are hiding.
Try and be brave.

Israel did plan an attack, and was shortly after the attack on Iraq reactor.
It was in the 80's, the times of Gen Zia.
The attack was meant to happen from India.
Israeli F-16 had landed in India for the attack. F-16 were chosen to mimic the frame of the jet (as PAF had same jets).
A PAF pilot, who had defected, was chosen to lead the attack; this was to confuse the ground team and buy few more minutes.

The plan was leaked and had to be aborted.

It never happened again because US had needed Pakistan against USSR in Afghanistan.

 

[Raider 21]

@Beny Karachun

I beg to differ here.
You know it, and you are hiding.
Try and be brave.

Israel did attack a plan, and was shortly after the attack on Iraq reactor.
It was in the 80's, the times of Gen Zia.
The attack was meant to happen from India.
Israeli F-16 had landed in India for the attack. F-16 were chosen to mimic the frame of the jet (as PAF had same jets).
A PAF pilot, who had defected, was chosen to lead the attack; this was to confuse the ground team and buy few more minutes.

The plan was leaked and had to be aborted.

It never happened again because US had needed Pakistan against USSR in Afghanistan.

That's a good one

 

[Goenitz]

Arabs recall Pakistani pilots’ gallantry in 1967 war

Arabs recall Pakistani pilots’ gallantry in 1967 war Pakistan Air Force shot down 3 Israeli planes in 6-day war that ended with Israel’s victory Aamir Latif |03.06.2021 KARACHI, Pakistan The 1967 Arab-Israel war, to all appearances, tilted the geopolitical environment of the Middle East...

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Pak pilots in Egypt 67-73

In 1967, Nur Khan volunteered to serve in the allegiance of Arab countries’ Air Forces against Israel during the Six-Day War. He flew in many aerial missions and witnessed the dogfight with Israeli IAF whose pilots noted his aerial skills during the conflict. In fact, the IAF’s fighter pilot...

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@The Eagle

merge plz

@Total Destruction @Xestan

 

[Reichmarshal]

@Beny Karachun

I beg to differ here.
You know it, and you are hiding.
Try and be brave.

Israel did plan an attack, and was shortly after the attack on Iraq reactor.
It was in the 80's, the times of Gen Zia.
The attack was meant to happen from India.
Israeli F-16 had landed in India for the attack. F-16 were chosen to mimic the frame of the jet (as PAF had same jets).
A PAF pilot, who had defected, was chosen to lead the attack; this was to confuse the ground team and buy few more minutes.

The plan was leaked and had to be aborted.

It never happened again because US had needed Pakistan against USSR in Afghanistan.

it diddent happen as Zia threatened to strike demona and the indian nuke sites.

 

[Gomig-21]

Any sources or just your wet dreams??
We all know that just in 1973 Egypt shot down around 300 Usraeli fighter jets.. so go lie somewhere else..

Bro, I almost fell out of my chair when I read his post about 670 whatever LMAO! Nothing like a Zionist number to multiply the count by 3 or 5 times LOLOL! They lost 17 jets to 3 in 1 hour over El Manshoura without SAMS, all air to air kills which is the essential reason for their constant fear of the EAF acquiring any advanced missiles. Hillarious.

 

[Basel]

Most of those air to air kills happened up until the end of 1973 war, in that era we had no advantage over the Arabs except in our tactics and strategy, they had us numerically and technologically. So you're wrong there.

Israel got training and equipment from USA which was top of the line, while Arabs had low grade export versions of USSR weapons with old tactics and training.

Arabs were not well organized, there was no good coordination between air force and army which was one of the reasons for defeat of Arabs.

 

[Raider 21]

Pakistan Air Force second to none.

When veterans go a little far fetched with their claims. Unfortunately a number of veterans questioned over these claims.