PAF suspends “Air Force Development Plan 2025,” says report

[Slayer786]

While there is no doubt that Ghaddari gov was corrupt to the core.

However foreign reserves is an issue that involves much more than Ghaddari.


Our options were foreign reserves are really limited.


Why?

We utterly refuse to copy Chinese, South Koreans, and Taiwanese.

They have shown us how to earn "large amounts of foreign reserves".

They have shown for decades that countries must work their backs off while supplying stuff to the USA.

But we refuse to see that.

Our masses utterly fail to work their backs off for the USA and EU.

And

thus our foreign reserves are no more.


peace

I dont want to go off topic, but there are reasons like not enough exports, increase in imports due to higher prices and payments to IMF and World Bank leads to shrinkage of foreign reserves. In the last 5 years, this govt has not done enough to increase exports and have regularly taken more loans from the IMF and World Bank who are happy to oblige. And Pakistan have to pay them back in time with high interests.

Thats what this govt was doing, just running the govt through more loans and using up foreign reserves.

So it was not worried about funding an ambitious plan by PAF. To the govt, it was a futile endeavour which Pakistan could ill afford or rather I should write that this govt could ill afford as they would have had to sacrifice their share of looting to grant PAF the funds.

 

[420canada]

that sucks

 

[Mav3rick]

@Mav3rick

You need marines for the invasion which are sitting next door in Arb nations.

The real question is.....how many would be enough? Or would they at all be enough?

 

[Mav3rick]

Actually there is a very good chance that those comments were planned. Pakistan also testing its nuke was the best possible scenario for India otherwise we would have become pariah nation. I mean for some time we were sanctioned and what not but it turned out much easier compared to what it would have been had Pakistan not tested.

Perhaps. However, the rhetoric could have gone either way. It was more of a ego issue for the nation of Pakistan as they wanted nothing else but a tit-for-tat response to every aggressive Indian move.

We also knew you had the bomb. Infact since atleast 1987 otherwise we would have invaded you and split you in half (again) right then. It was the Nukes that saved you that time.

I disagree, first because we are most confident that you had no real idea about our Nuclear achievements until 28th May 1998! Secondly, you can go and read I have posted this several times, in which world could you even dream of breaking us up unless we wanted to do it first. If we want to break away then perhaps you can act as a catalyst just as you did in Bangladesh. But neither are we desperately segregated by thousands of miles of enemy territory, nor is there enough resentment.

actually 90% of time PAK ruled by military, When problem is started since inception, policies/decision which was made long time back are now responsible for this.

nothing can change in 5 years which has been done from past 40 yrs.

Well, so far we have had only 2 choices, corruption or military.

 

[Mav3rick]

Bahi Sahib, hakumat nay to nahi bandookein aur missile uthaye huway, yeh sab to afwaj kay paas hai- Agar fauj amreeka kay samnay kaan paqarr kar murgha ban ghi hai sann 2004 say lay kar aaj tak aur ilaan kar diya hai kay wo amreeka say panga nahi lena chahti, to bechari hakumat kiya kar sakti hai?

Jab apki hukomat aaye thi to apne kia ker lia? Apne konsa pichla decision rollback ya revert kerwaya? Apne koi 1 single order dia Military ko ke drone gira den ya kuch aur? Balke aaj bhi apke sadar ka bayan chapa hai newspapers mei jahan woh farmate hain ke drone koi cheel nahi ke maar dia, uske baad ka bhi sochna hoga.

Agar fauj amreeka say panga lay to un ki aulaadein amreeka parnay kay liye phir kaisay ja sakhein gi?

Sawaal yeh nahi hai ke kos ki aulaad amreeka jaati hai parhai ke liye, sawaal yeh hai bhai ke amreeka se panga kion len, woh bhi kisi aur ke liye? Balke woh bhi kisi aise ke liye jo hamara inteha se dushman raha ho, Afghanistan ke liye????

But anyway brother forget that and just simply please explain to me why when the first drone strike was carried out in Pakistan on Thursday June 17, 2004, our military was claiming it be a Pakistani military operation? What was all that about? Why did they lie?

Where does it say that it was a drone strike?

 

[Mav3rick]

Mafhoom Hadees : "Aik Musalman doosre musalman ka bhai hai, na wo apne bhai par zulm karta hai, na apne bhai ko zalim k hawale karta hai".

Ap ne "Aafiya siddique" ko hawale kia to kia ap ka mulk soney ka ho gay?

OBL ko hawale kar k bhi war nahi rukni thi.

Sahaba k pas guzwa e badar main kia tha rokne k liey? 8 toti hui talwarain, 2 ghorey, kuch teer, kuch naizey.........................

Bhai, ya to waisa emaan lao aur jazba lao ya phir maan lo ke aaj hamare bhai Islam se kahi durr hain. Mei ne parha hai ke Huzoor (SAW) ke wisaal ke waqt un ke ghar mei Hazrat BB Ayesha (RA) ke paas itne paise nahi the ke ghar ke lamp ke liye oil khered leten. Lekin us waqt bhi Huzoor (SAW) ke ghar ki dewaar per 7 talwaaren latak rahi thin!!!

That was the level of their resolve and preparedness. Today, we neither have the resolve nor the preparations today. Furthermore, we are surrounded by traitors and all Muslim countries are divided. Kaise jeeto ge kuch bhai?

Aur phir kia hamara emaan hum ko nahi samjhata ke musalmaano ka yeh haal pehle se teh hai? Hum per abhi bari burai aani hai.

 

[Mav3rick]

Sir, we are at war since 10 years, this is not case that they are not aware or ready for any guerrilla attacks, what will they do during the war with india if they applied same rule as applied by taliban ? we have lost 2 most important assets infect it was a huge loss of whole nation, due to their negligence `

You have taken my post completely out of context. The use of PAF as an effective offensive force for ground support against guerrilla fighters v/s the ability of PAF to defend its assets on the ground are 2 completely different topics.

 

[Cyberian]

...

Where does it say that it was a drone strike?

The Bush Years: Pakistan strikes 2004 – 2009: The Bureau of Investigative Journalism
List of drone strikes in Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Capt.Popeye]

You have taken my post completely out of context. The use of PAF as an effective offensive force for ground support against guerrilla fighters v/s the ability of PAF to defend its assets on the ground are 2 completely different topics.

But the second part (of the underlined section above) impacts the first part, does it not?

 

[Tacticool]

Bhai, ya to waisa emaan lao aur jazba lao ya phir maan lo ke aaj hamare bhai Islam se kahi durr hain. Mei ne parha hai ke Huzoor (SAW) ke wisaal ke waqt un ke ghar mei Hazrat BB Ayesha (RA) ke paas itne paise nahi the ke ghar ke lamp ke liye oil khered leten. Lekin us waqt bhi Huzoor (SAW) ke ghar ki dewaar per 7 talwaaren latak rahi thin!!!

That was the level of their resolve and preparedness. Today, we neither have the resolve nor the preparations today. Furthermore, we are surrounded by traitors and all Muslim countries are divided. Kaise jeeto ge kuch bhai?

Aur phir kia hamara emaan hum ko nahi samjhata ke musalmaano ka yeh haal pehle se teh hai? Hum per abhi bari burai aani hai.

Agar hamara eeman un jaisa nahi hai ya ham sahi musalman nahi hain to is ka ye matlab to nahi hai na k ham hath pe hath rakh k baith jain or apni islah or baki musalmano ki islah k liey kuch na karain. Bakl k hamain aik dosre ko fikar mand karte rehna chahie. Jaise iqbal ko pata tha k musalmano ki kia halat hai magar unho ne fikar mand karna jari rakha apni poetry se.

 

[Storm Force]

WHY DO YOU PEOPLE KEEP BLAMING THE POLTICIANS for your nations failing

Surely you GUYS are actually responsible YOURSELVES since it was you that EMPOWERED them in FIRST PLACE

Your issue is not your POLITICIANS or your GENERALS the real issue is YOUR CULTURE, YOUR DIRECTION, YOUR BELIEFS AND YOUR GOALS.

66 YEARS since your independance ASK YOURSELVES where are heading ARE you GOALS realistc ????

 

[aamerjamal]

Dur Fite moooo And @Jungibaaz adding your words lakh di lanat lol

Now Merii jan Tume zardari ne batya hai or kis ne ke he used all govrs money on pti ? if you got any proof then please enlighten us

to meri Jan Apki Party or voter jo NS or SS per corruption k ilzam lagatey hain to apko Iblees Sahab a k report kartey hain jo aisey bhonktey hoo... Asmaan pey thokoo gey they apna mounh hi ganda karoo gay jaisey 11th ko ho chuka hai..... Loserssssss.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

2025 is too far , we are talking about 2015 J10B induction and JF17 Thunder for now
But , we must have had secret stealth program , I really wonder what we must have been working on ? for 2025
that it was so costly that we could not make it in near future

 

[Fieldmarshal]

this is the actual report by Sen. Mushahid Hussain Sayed. Read report 4:

Committee Reports | Standing Committee on Defence & Defence Production

 

[Fieldmarshal]

This is what it states regarding the current conditions of funding:

Quote:
The Committee was informed about the continuous efforts and innovative ways of indigenization of Air Force planes as well as other equipment including joint ventures and joint up-gradation facilities/arrangements with friendly countries. The Committee was however informed that budgetary constraints were not only increasing liabilities but hampering the up-gradation and development efforts.

and...

Quote:
In response to a query by the Chairman of the Committee, the Chief of Air Staff informed that PAF had formulated a long term plan called AFDP 2025 and had been effectively implementing it from 2003-04 to 2007 but the national resource constraints thereafter have caused some delays and postponements.

a far cry from the "not receiving a single penny since 2007" that our journalists came up with!
It only mentions "some delays and postponements", not downright "shelving" or "cancellation" of any major defense programs.