Russia lost a few Su-30 in Ukraine but not quite as many as some think. The numbers last time I checked was under 10 lost. Ukraine war for Russia is like Vietnam war for USA or Korea for USA rather than using Afghanistan or Iraq as examples. The capability gap between Russia and Ukraine is closer than USA and Vietnam 50 years ago. That of course was a different era but the US lost over 3000 manned aircraft and over 5000 helicopters.
I think the portrayal of the war is a bit too affected by propagandas. I think Russians use their stuff very roughly and with a very risk tolerant attitude but reality is maybe this is even a wrong impression and in comparison to other major large scale all out wars (which Russia is the one not pushing all its weight) then their aircraft losses aren't actually all that substantial. If the US were to go to war with North Korea for example, they would lose many modern fighter aircraft. One can bet everything on that. Lose at least similar levels to how many Russia is losing. Of course this requires China to be supporting the North Koreans with weapons like USA supports Ukraine for example.
To recently at least, Ukraine still moves around S-300 SAMs and others. They are not all destroyed by Russia especially in the eastern half.
MKI they have over 200 of which means well over 100 that are serviceable. This is capable of bringing basically 1000 medium range missiles into fights or a fight. This alone is some force. Of course MKI is by even 2010, outdated as this was the era (for everyone not USA) of 4.5 gen fighters already starting to be manufactured. MKI is NOT a 4.5 gen fighter.
PLAAF considers J-11B to be fairly useful. Of course it is using even more old tech than what is on MKI but for PLA as a whole, J-11B in modernity and technology is after J-20, J-35, J-16, J-10C, J-10B, Su-35, J-11D (or J-11BG), and even Su-30MK2 (modernity but maybe not in capability).
PLAAF still has J-8 and J-7 in service. Thousands of these fighters are not a force to be ignored. hundreds of Su-30MKI is a greater force than the entire Australian Airforce for example, ignoring F-35 in Australian service of course.
This I would not bet. J-10C vs Su-35 or Su-30MKI, J-10C ...okay yes 5 bitcoins no worries. PAF will eat up IAF in the next conflict? we should remember how much of a numbers difference there is and if it was a case where PAF has dozens of 5th generation fighters to balance it out, then 5 bitcoins bet okay.
India has roughly 600? 4th generation to 4.5 generation fighters (assuming 36 Rafales all delivered) while Pakistan has 300? 4th and 4.5 generation fighters.
No matter training and command superiority, that's 100% more. The technology base and equipment capability level are roughly similar, maybe even with slight advantage to India in fighters and missiles while Pakistan at the moment would have slight advantage in networking, communications, and electronic warfare.
Idk where you get your figures of 600 4th generation jets in IAF inventory. 270 SU30s+60 mig29s+50 mirage 2000+ 36 Rafale= 410-430 fighter jets. PAF has roughly, 140 JF17s+80 F16s+36 J10s= 260-270 4th generation jets. You refused to even answer my point of force posturing. India will never allocated 100% of its forces to the Pakistani border due to threats from China. Even Russia today cannot allocated 100% of its forces in Ukraine due to the threat from NATO. At best India can only allocated 60-70%. Furthermore the majority of Indias population lives far away from Pakistans border. States like Maharastra, Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Delhi, MP, etc are atleast 500-600 miles away from Pakistans border. Majority of Pakistans population is within 100 miles of the Indian border. Even a child will tell you that Pakistan will mobilize far far quicker and have numerical superiority during most of the conflict.
You went on a tantrum that Russias loses are not what they seem due to western propaganda. That point is def noted but in the day and age of satellite imagery+drone footages+OSINT sources then there are far more than enough neautral sources to throw fire on biased reporting. China+Russia itself has a huge network of satellite+drones. Why have they been unable to build a counter narrative compared to the ukrainians???
The fact with all its resources CHINA HAS REFUSED TO BAIL ITS ALLY RUSSIA OUT IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE. Only thing China has been able to do is buy a lot more cheap oil. China has been unable to provide any military support, any real political support, and even its economic support is self serving... Why is this??? Had Russia been winning and had the upper hand China would have been far more supportive. Your own CCP and Govt see's the writing on the wall.. The russians have been far from successful and at most times ruthlessly incompetent.
You can visit neautral sources such as ORYX who themselves are taking the time to count/validate each and every single russian/ukrainian losses- https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
Russians are taking a pounding. There is a reason the chinese were smart enough decades ago to stop procuring russian equipment. There is a reason that 99% of components built in J11 (chinese copycat of SU30) is Chinese rather than russian.a
Lastly you cannot compare the Vietnam war with the Ukrainian war. Russia and Ukraine are neighbors. The US fought in Vietnam successfully being thousands of miles away. The US had split the country along north/south. Even then US forces showed a high degree of competence. Do you want to compare that to Chinas invasion of Vietnam where the Vietnamese defeated China in a matter of months???
The fact is neither China nor Russia have a great history of winning wars. Russia lost every war in the last 150 years other than WW2 were it won due to mass waves and still lost 15+ million troops. Chinas only semblance of victory was against India in 1962... even the korean war at best china could only achieve a stalemate that to sacraficing millions of troops in mass waves. Today neither Russia nor China have the competitive advantage of being able to sacrafice millions due to large population declines.
The Russians have been unable to even hold the little land they have conquered and any sane intelligence assessment will tell you that the situation for the Russians will become pittiful within the next few months. The Ukranians currently have hundreds of thousands of fighters being trained that will enter their forces within the next few months. Without either mass mobilization or tactical nukes THE RUSSIANS ARE TOAST. Ill give them 2-3 more months max.
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