PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[siegecrossbow]

It still is a rather odd choice of modification to be relegated to a display team bird. Unless the modification did not yield the results warranted for operational types and was simply decided to not waste the jet.

Yet, the fact that the jet went through this whole thing only to end up straight with the Aug 1st team is a very confusing choice indeed.

It is possible that he bird is intentionally sent to the Aug-1 because CAC has been authorized to sell the J-10c beyond Chinese shores after successful sales to Pakistan and so it may become the J-10 demo bird at international airshows for what may be a J-10CE version.

On a related note, do you think there is any truth to the rumors that Pakistan will acquire an additional 30 J-10?

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

If there is one thing you can clearly learn as far as Sukhoi is concerned, is that a high radar foot print aircraft will get defeated very quickly even with a weaker adversary.

The modern air-warfare is boiling down to a fight b/w the engineering teams! So far, the Western oriented teams are far ahead of their Russian counterparts by a wide margin...

 

[SQ8]

On a related note, do you think there is any truth to the rumors that Pakistan will acquire an additional 30 J-10?

There really isn’t a rumor more than a logical choice but it depends upon finances available. Currently the country is in existential jeopardy financially so it would be really odd to use Pakistan funds to get additional J-10s unless the same shameful act of asking China for loans is taken - although at this point I would be surprised if the PAF even has money to pay the interest on any loans taken from China(not that they are expensive or anything but just that any money being there would be surprising)

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1587665144104030209

 

[Mrc]

I wouldn't go as far as to term sukhoi piss poor.

It is a capable aircraft , it has it's cons and pros.

The reason Ukraine is still fighting, is due to poor strategy on part of Russians,
and clever strategy on part of Ukraine, who are drawing the Russians into an Urban conflict.

If there is one thing you can clearly learn as far as Sukhoi is concerned, is that a high radar foot print aircraft will get defeated very quickly even with a weaker adversary.

Regards.

High radar footprint does not go well in 2020s
The reason to develop stealth and semi stealth was simple. Modern missiles are getting difficult to deceive once they lock on

Point is Russian sukhois have failed to achieve air superiority against a meager airforce of 60 jets in total. The questions needs to be looked at is why

Ukrainian air forces launch 22 strikes on enemy targets â General Staff

Over the past day, Ukraineâs air forces have struck three Russian air defense missile system positions, and artillery units have destroyed an enemy ammunition depot. â Ukrinform.

www.ukrinform.net

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

 

[MastanKhan]

Against a nearly non existent Ukrainian airforcr? Which is still flying?

Hi,

First BVR missile fired by the SU35 obliterating a ukranian fighter yesterday.

 

[MIRauf]

High radar footprint does not go well in 2020s
The reason to develop stealth and semi stealth was simple. Modern missiles are getting difficult to deceive once they lock on

Point is Russian sukhois have failed to achieve air superiority against a meager airforce of 60 jets in total. The questions needs to be looked at is why

Ukrainian air forces launch 22 strikes on enemy targets â General Staff

Over the past day, Ukraineâs air forces have struck three Russian air defense missile system positions, and artillery units have destroyed an enemy ammunition depot. â Ukrinform.

www.ukrinform.net

Likely third parties providing EW support / situational awareness, likely also helping keep the meager 60 aircraft going months after months.

 

[ghazi52]

.,..

 

[luciferdd]

High radar footprint does not go well in 2020s
The reason to develop stealth and semi stealth was simple. Modern missiles are getting difficult to deceive once they lock on

Point is Russian sukhois have failed to achieve air superiority against a meager airforce of 60 jets in total. The questions needs to be looked at is why

Ukrainian air forces launch 22 strikes on enemy targets â General Staff

Over the past day, Ukraineâs air forces have struck three Russian air defense missile system positions, and artillery units have destroyed an enemy ammunition depot. â Ukrinform.

www.ukrinform.net

Russian Air-Force have only few AEWACS,and most of them are antiques...

 

[Tank131]

Lets not forget that the Ukrainian forces are backed by satellites which can detect Russian movements, and are also getting regular supplies of radars and weapons from the west. So it isnt that the Russians didn't establish air superiority, they did... But what good is air superiority when the thing you destroyed got replaced by a better western counterparts 2 days later? The Russians fly over Ukraine unimpeded... That is air superiority. Ukrainian fighters arent who did the most damage to russian airforce, its the air defenses (much of which is of newer western stock). Also western supplied artillery and rockets have wreaked havoc on russian army. They are poorly trained and ill equipped because of much of the same issues the plague Pakistan (maybe not so much its military but definitely its society)... Main among the is corruption and nepotism.

 

[LKJ86]

Via @飞扬军事铁背心 from Weibo

 

[MastanKhan]

On a related note, do you think there is any truth to the rumors that Pakistan will acquire an additional 30 J-10?

Hi,

I am surprised that this question is being asked---.

Modern 4 ---4.5 gen aircraft are extremely training intensive aircraft.

When a pilot switches ovedr from a conventional radar to an aesa radar---he has to unlearn how to fight with the conventional radar and learn how to engage with the aesa radar.

Plus with the modern EW package together---here the situational awareness is at a totally different level---.

What that means is that when you commit to a fighter aircraft of this creed----it will have substantial numbers of purchase behind it to justify its induction.

So---the possible number of the J-10C's would be between to 80---96.

 

[syed_yusuf]

Hi,

I am surprised that this question is being asked---.

Modern 4 ---4.5 gen aircraft are extremely training intensive aircraft.

When a pilot switches ovedr from a conventional radar to an aesa radar---he has to unlearn how to fight with the conventional radar and learn how to engage with the aesa radar.

Plus with the modern EW package together---here the situational awareness is at a totally different level---.

What that means is that when you commit to a fighter aircraft of this creed----it will have substantial numbers of purchase behind it to justify its induction.

So---the possible number of the J-10C's would be between to 80---96.

My number estimare is 100 examples by 2026

All made in China

 

[PakFactor]

Hi,

I am surprised that this question is being asked---.

Modern 4 ---4.5 gen aircraft are extremely training intensive aircraft.

When a pilot switches ovedr from a conventional radar to an aesa radar---he has to unlearn how to fight with the conventional radar and learn how to engage with the aesa radar.

Plus with the modern EW package together---here the situational awareness is at a totally different level---.

What that means is that when you commit to a fighter aircraft of this creed----it will have substantial numbers of purchase behind it to justify its induction.

So---the possible number of the J-10C's would be between to 80---96.

From a contact of mine, I hear the number 110+; let's see how quickly we can recover from this flood and other issues to get back on track with this. He mentioned another batch of pilots currently in China as we speak, getting ready for this. So we should be hearing good news soon.