PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[nomi007]

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[Scorpiooo]

Hi,

Integration is a very long process needing a lots of patience.

It is now being integrated at a local operational air base level.

How much time it will take to be actually operationalised for PAF ...

 

[GriffinsRule]

How much time it will take to be actually operationalised for PAF ...

2-3 years

 

[MastanKhan]

How much time it will take to be actually operationalised for PAF ...

Hi,

Actually they are operationally capable to take any action in air to air or air to ground role. The current crew is well trained---.

 

[Readerdefence]

Hi about pilot training this been started since COAS (Bajwa) last time inspected J10 in Pakistan during shaheen exercise
so if we go through that time Line about almost 2 years
thank you

 

[GriffinsRule]

Hi about pilot training this been started since COAS (Bajwa) last time inspected J10 in Pakistan during shaheen exercise
so if we go through that time Line about almost 2 years
thank you

That's not how it works

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi about pilot training this been started since COAS (Bajwa) last time inspected J10 in Pakistan during shaheen exercise
so if we go through that time Line about almost 2 years
thank you

Hi,

It has been assumed that pilot training had started awhile ago, so you seem to be correct

 

[Readerdefence]

That's not how it works

Hi if possible to shed some light on your statement will be helpful to understand
thank you

2-3 years

Hi as you have mentioned yourself 2/3 years of time line which I do agree with you though I believe this 2/3 is from the day of purchase in case of j10 it’s been decided I believe 2018/2019 when Chinese pitched these in Pakistan against PAF and as a unusual way instead of ACM COAS been briefed about this jet by Chinese infact he himself checked the cockpit lay out while been inside the plane
thank you

 

[Rafi]

PAF Pilots have been in China for atleast 2 years, and not just Pilots, ground crew, maintenance, so I expect the Dragons to be available for combat in short order.

 

[GriffinsRule]

Hi if possible to shed some light on your statement will be helpful to understand
thank you


Hi as you have mentioned yourself 2/3 years of time line which I do agree with you though I believe this 2/3 is from the day of purchase in case of j10 it’s been decided I believe 2018/2019 when Chinese pitched these in Pakistan against PAF and as a unusual way instead of ACM COAS been briefed about this jet by Chinese infact he himself checked the cockpit lay out while been inside the plane
thank you

Its not just that 2 or 10 pilots know how to fly or employ the aircraft. The 2-3 years is not to integrate the aircraft into PAF, how it will be employed in its role, and how PAFs doctrine will change with the new system (and capabilities via AESA). Its not as simple as just being able to fly and shoot missiles.
Kindly watch the interview I posted above and give it some thought then.

 

[MastanKhan]

Its not just that 2 or 10 pilots know how to fly or employ the aircraft. The 2-3 years is not to integrate the aircraft into PAF, how it will be employed in its role, and how PAFs doctrine will change with the new system (and capabilities via AESA). Its not as simple as just being able to fly and shoot missiles.
Kindly watch the interview I posted above and give it some thought then.

Hi,

It was full integration training in china with the available crew from pilots to the support staff---basically at a sqdrn level you may say---so that a sqdrn level participation may take place during a combat.

Now the aircraft is in full integration mode which will take its own sweet time to happen.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

It has been assumed that pilot training had started awhile ago, so you seem to be correct

Hi,

The USAF believes that it takes atleast 5 years to make a pilot a tier 1 pilot and as the Paf is based on the USAF structure---it is accepted that a Paf pilot would be falling in the similar category.

Which then brings about the fact that the 1st batch of Paf pilots may have been training on the J10's for longer than the anticipated 2 years time period.

Flying a modern aircraft is a tedious affair---flying a modern aircraft and being able to be number one is more than a tedious affair.

Just remember---part of integration is also having atleast 2.5 pilots per aircraft ready to go( that number is of the paf pilots per aircraft )---so the current batch may have 8-10 pilots ready for the 6 J10's in stock---but to get more aircraft---Paf needs more pilots--at least 90 to a 100 pilots for 2 sqdrn's of the J10's---.

Pilots---weapons---aesa radar---ew package---maintenance---integration is a bit-ch---and this bit-ch is a time consumer.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Hi,

The USAF believes that it takes atleast 5 years to make a pilot a tier 1 pilot and as the Paf is based on the USAF structure---it is accepted that a Paf pilot would be falling in the similar category.

Which then brings about the fact that the 1st batch of Paf pilots may have been training on the J10's for longer than the anticipated 2 years time period.

Flying a modern aircraft is a tedious affair---flying a modern aircraft and being able to be number one is more than a tedious affair.

Just remember---part of integration is also having atleast 2.5 pilots per aircraft ready to go( that number is of the paf pilots per aircraft )---so the current batch may have 8-10 pilots ready for the 6 J10's in stock---but to get more aircraft---Paf needs more pilots--at least 90 to a 100 pilots for 2 sqdrn's of the J10's---.

Pilots---weapons---aesa radar---ew package---maintenance---integration is a bit-ch---and this bit-ch is a time consumer.

And, the Turkish engineers are circumventing this problem by introducing AI driven jet powered combat UAVs where pilot training isn't an issue! If you integrate different staffs for one UAV it means its done for all! All this because the common Turkish folks threw themselves in front of the tanks driven by the traitors to impose a Western hegemony over them....

 

[Chak Bamu]

And, the Turkish engineers are circumventing this problem by introducing AI driven jet powered combat UAVs where pilot training isn't an issue! If you integrate different staffs for one UAV it means its done for all! All this because the common Turkish folks threw themselves in front of the tanks driven by the traitors to impose a Western hegemony over them....

Well, those will come with their own issues. The nature of the business will not change. It still takes time to develop tactics & strategy after all the technical issues have been worked out.

 

[araz]

Well, those will come with their own issues. The nature of the business will not change. It still takes time to develop tactics & strategy after all the technical issues have been worked out.

When we inducted the JFT @Mastan khan pointed out that induction and integration were 2 different issues and the time line for both was different. The fighter needs to undergo battle scenarios to assess its strengths and weaknesses and how to use it to its maximum advantage. This is what takes time. Based on this strategy is drawn for use of the fighter. Also it takes time for the fighter pilot to be confident enough to use the system in war against its enemies.
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