PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[Windjammer]

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[GriffinsRule]

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Nothing new here. Same cropped clip from the induction ceremony, just with poorer quality

 

[Signalian]

If one thinks about this and the aspect of governance from its prrimary controller - all you really have to do is write code for the DSP and have the Main processor call to it when required.

On a basic level, yes, its easy to lay out a design and join components in a diagram like the one you showed. However moving towards meeting KPIs for design and then deployment, many other factors need to be looked into like requirements for throughput, BER and latency, modulation techniques, constraints of multipath, fading, interference, choosing Multiplexing (e.g OFDMA or SCFDMA or a system with OFDM in downlink and TDMA in uplink), bands for LOS and BLOS along with the spectrum, the functionalities of SDR and most importantly cyber-physical security or encryption methods. On the RF side, the three links (A2G, A2A, air to satellite) with their own models and path loss. More on the design side of things.

 

[MastanKhan]

Do not make the mistake of overestimating the chips used in military aircraft. Think about how old F-22 is and what kind of military grade chips were available at the time?

Even in China, the chips used in modern military aircraft are not produced by SMIC or YMTC. Those are not rugged enough to handle military applications. Similarly, the processors used in your typical F-35s is way behind what's available commercially.

Hi,

I would repeat a story I wrote here.

One of my colleagues dated an engineer girl working on the F16 manufacturing---she was riding his new Q45 sedan early 2000's---.

Suddenly she blurted out---the navigation in your car is far advanced in the latest model of the F16---he was surprised---to which she replied---all military applications have to be "rugged" enough to be military grade---and they are of older technology than what is available in the market.

 

[Windjammer]

Nothing new here. Same cropped clip from the induction ceremony, just with poorer quality

Like Training is better than Coaching, just like that, Contributing is better than wasting bandwidth on merely Complaining.

 

[The Terminator]

Hi,

Kickbacks are a part of defense deals. Kick backs MUST NEVER STOP a capable weapon deal.

A capable weapon on which kick backs are paid kills the enemy with the same intensity as the NON kick back weapon.

The F16 deal that we got the original sanctions on had $140 million kick back to Benazir Bhutto.

The Bofors 155 mm howitzers had kickbacks to Gandhi---. But did they perform well after 15 years of service---.

So you are justifying corruption that way. The kickbacks not only an added burden to the national exchequer but is also used to influence the decision making and buying loyalties for the lifetime. A hefty $140 million kickbacks paid to the officials and would have done the deal on highly exaggerated prices, so ripping off the Pakistani tax payer with both hands and also buying the loyalties of the officials involved for rest of their lives. That's why people like Hussain haqqani born and flourish in Pakistan.

 

[Al_Muhannad]

Looking at this is bringing back PTSD from my DSP class during undergrad.

DSP and FPGAs are a match made in heaven. Nowadays DNN Acceleration is the new norm.

 

[MIRauf]

So you are justifying corruption that way. The kickbacks not only an added burden to the national exchequer but is also used to influence the decision making and buying loyalties for the lifetime. A hefty $140 million kickbacks paid to the officials and would have done the deal on highly exaggerated prices, so ripping off the Pakistani tax payer with both hands and also buying the loyalties of the officials involved for rest of their lives. That's why people like Hussain haqqani born and flourish in Pakistan.

One of the last time people threw monkey wrench for adding bribe for the then "Mr. 10%," it cost the PAF M2K with BVR and decade plus of just relying on 32 odd F-16 Block15 with no BVR.

Are bribe takers bad people ? sure just ask Adnan Khashoggi. "The world needs bad men. We keep the other bad men from the door." Early 80s F-16 deal is marred with bribe accusations, has it kept the IAF at bay for the last three odd plus decades ?

 

[iLION12345_1]

One of the last time people threw monkey wrench for adding bribe for the then "Mr. 10%," it cost the PAF M2K with BVR and decade plus of just relying on 32 odd F-16 Block15 with no BVR.

Are bribe takers bad people ? sure, "The world needs bad men. We keep the other bad men from the door." Early 80s F-16 deal is marred with bribe accusations, has it kept the IAF at bay for the last three odd plus decades ?

Another example would be the massive scandals that occurred with the PNs Agosta 90B program…
but then it allowed PN to be the first in the region to deploy AIP submarines and they have been pivotal in PNs capability against the IN since induction.

Given how little attention the PN got in the last decade or so, those three submarines and a few P3Cs were single-handedly carrying Pakistans entire naval defense for the last 15 years, thankfully things have improved now.

 

[GriffinsRule]

Like Training is better than Coaching, just like that, Contributing is better than wasting bandwidth on merely Complaining.

ONE can argue posting it was wasting bandwidth too

 

[MastanKhan]

So you are justifying corruption that way. The kickbacks not only an added burden to the national exchequer but is also used to influence the decision making and buying loyalties for the lifetime. A hefty $140 million kickbacks paid to the officials and would have done the deal on highly exaggerated prices, so ripping off the Pakistani tax payer with both hands and also buying the loyalties of the officials involved for rest of their lives. That's why people like Hussain haqqani born and flourish in Pakistan.

Hi,

Seems like you have the inability to understand tje procurement of weapons and how important they are in our lives.

 

[The Terminator]

What's the benefit of manufacturing our J-10C's in Pakistan? Will the overall cost be slightly cheaper? Will we learn something we didn't learn from manufacturing JF-17s?

One of the reasons for purchasing J-10C is, we aren't capable enough to mass produce huge numbers of aircrafts at home. JF-17's production rate couldn't keep up for the replacement program of the older jets and there have been export orders on top of it. Same goes for the MBT acquisition program. Al-Khalid 1 suffers from the same issues, sluggish developmental phase and pathetic production rates. Chinese are the most efficient when it comes to mass production at breakneck speeds. No one competes China in that field.

Fun fact. A lot of the chips used on Chinese and American planes are actually fabbed by the same company .

TSMC is the king in the field.

 

[The Terminator]

Hi,

I would repeat a story I wrote here.

One of my colleagues dated an engineer girl working on the F16 manufacturing---she was riding his new Q45 sedan early 2000's---.

Suddenly she blurted out---the navigation in your car is far advanced in the latest model of the F16---he was surprised---to which she replied---all military applications have to be "rugged" enough to be military grade---and they are of older technology than what is available in the market.

Yes it has been the case. They were still using 16 or 32 bit mission computers when virtually every street hawker had access to a 64-bit quad-core/octa-core smartphones.

But that's gonna change in F-35 block 4 upgrades. There are so much drastic changes that it would virtually be equivalent to a top notch crypto currency rig. The requirements of having feeds from multiple assets simultaneously and fusing them into a single realtime display output while also relaying similar amounts of data to multiple assets too. So 5th gen fighters with advanced datalinks, sensor/data fusion, complete 360 degree situational awareness in 3D environment, controlling multiple companion drones as well as sharing realtime video feeds with various assets have now pushed the boundaries of computing power in modern 5th gen fighters and upcoming 6th gen fighters. We would find upcoming blocks of fighters as flying huge a$$ GPUs

 

[Chak Bamu]

Yes it has been the case. They were still using 16 or 32 bit mission computers when virtually every street hawker had access to a 64-bit quad-core/octa-core smartphones.

But that's gonna change in F-35 block 4 upgrades. There are so much drastic changes that it would virtually be equivalent to a top notch crypto currency rig. The requirements of having feeds from multiple assets simultaneously and fusing them into a single realtime display output while also relaying similar amounts of data to multiple assets too. So 5th gen fighters with advanced datalinks, sensor/data fusion, complete 360 degree situational awareness in 3D environment, controlling multiple companion drones as well as sharing realtime video feeds with various assets have now pushed the boundaries of computing power in modern 5th gen fighters and upcoming 6th gen fighters. We would find upcoming blocks of fighters as flying huge a$$ GPUs

EMP can take care of all that. Just few dozen KM high & boom, all electronics in all the gadgets would be done for - except good ol' vacuum tubes, of course.

 

[PakFactor]

EMP can take care of all that. Just few dozen KM high & boom, all electronics in all the gadgets would be done for - except good ol' vacuum tubes, of course.

Don’t know if we have the tech in Pakistan. But to use that useless your taking about hitting their bases direct with it.