PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[TsAr]

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Aanyyy minute now eh boys ......
Where's the gentleman who said get your cameras ready

it depends on lots of factors like weather and schedule of VVIP's

 

[Windjammer]

It's almost 7.00 PM in Pakistan.
Better put away your cameras and start preparing for Isha Namaz.

 

[syed_yusuf]

Again how many j10 paf is buying ? Is it 25 or 60 or 120

 

[Jinn Baba]

Again how many j10 paf is buying ? Is it 25 or 60 or 120

No official confirmation. We know nothing - not how many are coming now or later this year or in total.

Figure of 25 was given by Sheikh Rasheed, but even with that we don't know if it's total number of J10, or numbers to receive this year, or just that a total of 25 aircraft (not necessarily J10) will fly on 23 March.

Everything else you are reading is speculation - some of it based on reason, some just people pretending like they know what they are talking about.

 

[alikazmi007]

 

[Dreamer.]

Tht first pic is the J10B, the second one is claimed to be the radar for J10C. your initial question implied that you didn't know if the J10 had AESA radar at all. Well now you should know that it does. I want getting into technicalities of comparing different J10 AESA radars.

Your posts are completely irrelevant to mine. You are posting pics of radars proposed for JF-17 whereas I was talking about J-10. You're simply confusing the issue. That radar with side antennas was proposed for JF-17 Blk3, not for J-10C.

 

[Deino]

It was during Zhuhai Airshow China 2018. The 3 phased AESA was pitched for export. KLJ-7A is most talked for Thunder. I am redirecting you to the particular thread. I really hope that members shall start searching & go through relevant sections to find everything.

This thread may kindly be left for subjected discussion. Above all, there's no doubt about AESA on J-10C. I don't know what really kicked in for anyone to still question the same. I agree that AESA on J-10C may remain unknown. I do support the secrecy like this. It should be maintained.

JF-17 Block III's proposed AESA Radar KLJ-7A

He means he is crying about the JF-17 block-3 with its AESA Radar will be capable to detect his MKI at such a range..That means the JF-17 will become SUPERIOR to the MKI..hence his word "superiority".. that fits his stubborn and peanut sized thoughts capacities and/or lack of military knowledge...

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Then the Chinese Art used as expression about 3 phased AESA radar.
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But from all images we've seen so far, the Block 3 does not use the radar with the side arrays.

 

[Iron Shrappenel]

But from all images we've seen so far, the Block 3 does not use the radar with the side arrays.

There seems to be a lack of space.... Wonder if the JF-17 could be further modified with side looking modules on the spine or wing tips rather than the nose itself.... Another reason of them lacking would be because of engine output... Third would be too much structural changes to the nose.... Maybe we would see it in the block 4 IF it incorporates a more powerful engine and composites....

 

[Dreamer.]

Are you joking? What confirmation do you need regarding AESA on J-10C? Do you want to smell it, touch it, taste it? Why such obsession?

All three if you please!

Before replying you should have understood my posts properly. I was replying to posts made previously by other users on the subject of radar. You can't understand my post by looking at it in isolation, you have to read it in the context in which it was made to understand the point I was making.

And that point wasn't specifically about AESA or not AESA. It was about secrecy around the J-10 radar, shrouding it in mystery. And why such secrecy? You don't reveal anything about a radar's capability by revealing it's name. We know block-3 has KLJ-7A and that it's AESA. Does that tell us everything about it's capabilities? Infact nothing more than a few generalistic conclusions can be reached from this information. So Why not even this much for J-10?

 

[siegecrossbow]

Are you joking? What confirmation do you need regarding AESA on J-10C? Do you want to smell it, touch it, taste it? Why such obsession?

Wait until he learns that there is no known footage of PL-15 being launched... Things operate, let's say, differently in China. You are lucky to get basic stats on pure domestic equipment and sometimes, not even that.

 

[MIRauf]

Wait until he learns that there is no known footage of PL-15 being launched... Things operate, let's say, differently in China. You are lucky to get basic stats on pure domestic equipment and sometimes, not even that.

He is looking for Factual Data and perhaps not understanding that people like you, Deino and others have been trying for ages to collect data on these things and only just have just enough due to how PLA now operates in secrecy.

 

[jaybird]

All three if you please!

Before replying you should have understood my posts properly. I was replying to posts made previously by other users on the subject of radar. You can't understand my post by looking at it in isolation, you have to read it in the context in which it was made to understand the point I was making.

And that point wasn't specifically about AESA or not AESA. It was about secrecy around the J-10 radar, shrouding it in mystery. And why such secrecy? You don't reveal anything about a radar's capability by revealing it's name. We know block-3 has KLJ-7A and that it's AESA. Does that tell us everything about it's capabilities? Infact nothing more than a few generalistic conclusions can be reached from this information. So Why not even this much for J-10?

That's the way Chinese military operate, you might never know the designation name of some of the equipment maybe until it was retired from service.

But usually it's different case for export equipment though, unless Pakistan also want to follow the same way Chinese miliatry operate and want the informatiom to be classified.


I was actually looking forward to see more J-10C cockpit pics, and learning more about WS-10B engine's MTBO and service life etc from Pakistan side in the future. Because we've only heard that WS-10 engine is better than AL-31 in performance from the Chinese side, it will be great to see from another party confirming it.

 

[Dreamer.]

I am pretty much aware of how things are in china and the secrecy etc. Since the PL-15 is mentioned...let me say that not only PL-15 but even PL-21 not only have actual names but are advertised. This doesn't mean full details but their existence is advertised.

And the J-10CE is a plane that's being offered for export!

Basic information about Radar without details doesn't affect secrecy. And I know how china is opaque in some matters but that doesn't stop us from commenting about this tendency.

But usually it's different case for export equipment though, unless Pakistan also want to follow the same way Chinese miliatry operate and want the informatiom to be classified.

This is the point.

We'll know soon enough. All I know is that I fully trust PAF's judgment in aircraft acquisition.

@kursed doesn't think so.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

All three if you please!

Before replying you should have understood my posts properly. I was replying to posts made previously by other users on the subject of radar. You can't understand my post by looking at it in isolation, you have to read it in the context in which it was made to understand the point I was making.

And that point wasn't specifically about AESA or not AESA. It was about secrecy around the J-10 radar, shrouding it in mystery. And why such secrecy? You don't reveal anything about a radar's capability by revealing it's name. We know block-3 has KLJ-7A and that it's AESA. Does that tell us everything about it's capabilities? Infact nothing more than a few generalistic conclusions can be reached from this information. So Why not even this much for J-10?

I suspect the PAF wants to keep the J-10CE's details opaque to keep India's knowledge about it as minimal as possible. However, the PAF wasn't going to induct a legacy mechanically-steered radar or even PESA radar with its new fighter platform. It's not only an issue of it being older technology, but in the current environment, it would be a liability to bring in that specific tech.

Interestingly, a few years ago, word got out that the PAF asked Russia to equip the Su-35 with an AESA radar, but Russia said it couldn't. Initially, I thought it was some rumour nonsense, but it turns out, several countries asked, but Russia wasn't able to do it for some reason and it lost out on a couple of contracts. However, this tells us that an AESA radar was part of the ASR.

 

[siegecrossbow]

He is looking for Factual Data and perhaps not understanding that people like you, Deino and others have been trying for ages to collect data on these things and only just have just enough due to how PLA now operates in secrecy.

Just wait for "Fighting and Flying in the Halal Dragon" on Hushkit.