PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[The Eagle]

Ok, ... in a much miniaturised variant and clearly marked as being FAKE! It simply makes no sense to put the PAF flag on the inner side of the tail fin and its angle/position is also not correct. And finally the colour of the inner side does not fit!

As such I'm pretty sure some Chinese had a lot of fun today pranking that over-impatient German ... or should I say "Kraut"!?

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Not just them but J-16s and whatever others including Vipers, have already landed long ago, kept hidden and awaiting for fly on appropriate time. Pakistan don't want a third world war over these. Maintaining total radio silence and blinding SATs as well. Welcome to Wakanda.

The main content of this episode (of a CCTV program): Recently, the first Pakistan Air Force painted J-10C multi-role fighter appeared on social media, which also made the Pakistan Air Force the first overseas user of the J-10C fighter. The first eight "Xiaolong" Block-3 fighters newly off the line have also entered the Pakistan Air Force for experimental flights, and everything is going well.

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Video shows 3 phased AESA KLJ-7A as well. Was it just a random mention or related to both jets in question?
Regards,

 

[Khan vilatey]

My sources telling me ,J-10C deal never happened, all the photos were doctored. Sheikh rashid had magic mushrooms when he made the statement, and I am spiderman.

P.S. @Irfan Baloch is of the same opinion.

Me watching the show and fireworks

K

 

[Beast]

Certainly there are some parts and components from abroad

100% localization, that does not exist.

Example: Chinese WS-10 engine. Shenyang does not produce 100% of all components, they buy components from many subcontractors (domestic and foreign), finally assembled at the main factory.

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No doubt J-10C is 100% produced in China including even raw material source. Rare earth from China and even chips used on it , is loongson domestic design and domesric fabricated chips for military used. Composite are made in China, China proven to produced even grade TS-100 one.

China has the most complete supply chain ever recorded in history.

 

[Beast]

KLJ-10A radar , from top to bottom, 1.5 gen, 2nd gen and 3rd gen.

 

[zhxy]

No doubt J-10C is 100% produced in China including even raw material source. Rare earth from China and even chips used on it , is loongson domestic design and domesric fabricated chips for military used. Composite are made in China, China proven to produced even grade TS-100 one.

China has the most complete supply chain ever recorded in history.

The problem is that the WS-10 engine is not produced 100% in China. Some of its components are imported from abroad.

Maybe all components of J-10 are manufactured in China. But its engine has some parts from abroad. That means that J-10 is not 100% produced in China.

Of course, we can lower the standard .
WS-10 has a few components from abroad = 100% WS-10 is made in China
J-10 + WS-10 (some components from abroad) = 100% made in China

 

[luciferdd]

The problem is that the WS-10 engine is not produced 100% in China. Some of its components are imported from abroad.

Maybe all components of J-10 are manufactured in China. But its engine has some parts from abroad. That means that J-10 is not 100% produced in China.

Of course, we can lower the standard .
WS-10 has a few components from abroad = 100% WS-10 is made in China
J-10 + WS-10 (some components from abroad) = 100% made in China

LM corp pruduces several models of engines or part,not only WS-10.A list of import goods can't means much thing.

 

[zhxy]

LM corp pruduces several models of engines or part,not only WS-10.A list of import goods can't means much thing.

That's why the author must explain the problem.
- 100% localization is impossible
- Trying to produce everything will increase production costs

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In fact, do not include the engine, I'm also not sure 100% components of J-10 are manufactured in China.

Avic is not a God. He cannot create everything. There are many components of J-10 purchased from subcontractors and cannot be sure that all subcontractors do not use components from abroad. It will be very good if avic has full statistics on all components, from raw materials, processing methods, subsystems .... but that is impossible. How can you know details about all components (tens of thousands), it involves the patents and trade secrets of subcontractors.

Logic 100% J-10 is manufactured in China. It is relative concept: AVIC design and manufacturing J-10, many components of J-10 are purchased from subcontractors. All subcontractors are Chinese companies, so J-10 is 100% made in China. Finally, subcontractors produced 100% components from raw materials or some components imported from somewhere, it was their secret, no one knew.

 

[Beast]

The problem is that the WS-10 engine is not produced 100% in China. Some of its components are imported from abroad.

Maybe all components of J-10 are manufactured in China. But its engine has some parts from abroad. That means that J-10 is not 100% produced in China.

Of course, we can lower the standard .
WS-10 has a few components from abroad = 100% WS-10 is made in China
J-10 + WS-10 (some components from abroad) = 100% made in China

Absolutely nonsense. WS-10 engine has no import parts. All parts are made in China. US is afraid of China military arising. They will not supply any parts. China is always afraid of sanction. They will not allow such important program to have any parts restricted by abroad supply. It's you who need to prove that it had imported parts.

That's why the author must explain the problem.
- 100% localization is impossible
- Trying to produce everything will increase production costs

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In fact, do not include the engine, I'm also not sure 100% components of J-10 are manufactured in China.

Avic is not a God. He cannot create everything. There are many components of J-10 purchased from subcontractors and cannot be sure that all subcontractors do not use components from abroad. It will be very good if avic has full statistics on all components, from raw materials, processing methods, subsystems .... but that is impossible. How can you know details about all components (tens of thousands), it involves the patents and trade secrets of subcontractors.

ogic 100% J-10 is manufactured in China. It is relative concept: avic design and manufacturing J-10, many components of J-10 are purchased from subcontractors. All subcontractors are Chinese companies, so J-10 is 100% made in China. Finally, subcontractors produced 100% components from raw materials or some components imported from somewhere, it was their secret, no one knew.

This is just a random post by some no name body. There are many of this misleading post by Taiwanese or overseas Fanlungong members.

 

[zhxy]

Absolutely nonsense. WS-10 engine has no import parts. All parts are made in China. US is afraid of China military arising. They will not supply any parts. China is always afraid of sanction. They will not allow such important program to have any parts restricted by abroad supply. It's you who need to prove that it had imported parts.

That's why the author must explain:
- Imported components are not important strategic components, it can be replaced
- China has core technology, he is not afraid

This is just a random post by some no name body. There are many of this misleading post by Taiwanese or overseas Fanlungong members.

Unfortunately, it does not come from Taiwan or Falun Gong. It comes from China's website and has censorship
Author provides data and explains each problem

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[Beast]

That's why the author must explain the problem.
- Imported components are not important strategic components, it can be replaced
- China has core technology, he is not afraid

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Unfortunately, it does not come from Taiwan or Falun Gong. It comes from China's website and has censorship
Author provides data and explains each problem

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Lol.. this kind of article from sohu has no proper source but just the author opinion. Unless it's from AVIC or other official source. It shall be taken with a pinch of salt.

 

[帅的一匹]

Lol.. this kind of article from sohu has no proper source but just the author opinion. Unless it's from AVIC or other official source. It shall be taken with a pinch of salt.

We won’t let those westerners squeeze our throat under any circumstances.

 

[lcloo]

That's why the author must explain the problem.
- 100% localization is impossible
- Trying to produce everything will increase production costs

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In fact, do not include the engine, I'm also not sure 100% components of J-10 are manufactured in China.

Avic is not a God. He cannot create everything. There are many components of J-10 purchased from subcontractors and cannot be sure that all subcontractors do not use components from abroad. It will be very good if avic has full statistics on all components, from raw materials, processing methods, subsystems .... but that is impossible. How can you know details about all components (tens of thousands), it involves the patents and trade secrets of subcontractors.

Logic 100% J-10 is manufactured in China. It is relative concept: AVIC design and manufacturing J-10, many components of J-10 are purchased from subcontractors. All subcontractors are Chinese companies, so J-10 is 100% made in China. Finally, subcontractors produced 100% components from raw materials or some components imported from somewhere, it was their secret, no one knew.

Basically, the author said the imported parts are minor and non-critical. He also said that these can be replaced by domestic products. The imported parts are used because they are cheaper.

I have seen photo of land based HQ-9 (or is it HQ-16?) many years ago, with Japanese brand electrical relays fitted onto the launcher, and these are commercially available on the market. This is also obviously for cost reason, and also easily replaceable by electrical relays of other brands.

 

[zhxy]

Lol.. this kind of article from sohu has no proper source but just the author opinion. Unless it's from AVIC or other official source. It shall be taken with a pinch of salt.

If the author's personal opinion cannot be trusted completely. Similar logic is true with the views of the members claiming 100% J-10 produced in China. Their views are idealism and lack of actual data

We won’t let those westerners squeeze our throat under any circumstances.

Sure.

Buying components from the West are like buying someone's noose to hang Chinese necks.

Self-producing everything is to do.

 

[Beast]

If the author's personal opinion cannot be trusted completely. Similar logic is true with the views of the members claiming 100% J-10 produced in China. Their views are idealism and lack of actual data

We are not the one claiming that, it's AVIC high authority personal and PLAAF members claiming domestic weapon source cannot rely on foreign source especially critical component.

While you just a pick an ramdom opinion from sohu and claim it's something authentic.

 

[zhxy]

China should produce everything and should not import components from abroad. If 100% J-10 is manufactured in China, it is the best scenario and should celebrate.

Return to the problem. This debate starts from the question of Pakistan members:

I have a question.

Is the J-10C a pure Chinese machine or it incorporates any imported parts?

Asking this in light of what's happening between Ukraine and Russia.

Some Chinese members replied: 100% J-10 is manufactured in China.

1. They said: 100% J-10 is made in China (no quotes and convincing evidence)

2. I do not support their views and quotes the article, the first thing they do is claim that the author is Taiwanese or Falun Gong (Try to framing someone and no evidence)

3. After I prove that the author is not a Taiwanese or from Falun Gong, they began attacking the author of the article, claiming the author added salt (personal attack and no proof)

In their world, there is no pragmatism and resources, everything in J-10 can be created by patriotism and nationalism, all other opinions are Taiwan, Falun Gong or Anti China ...

Patriotism Is Good, But Everything Goes Too Far Here