PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[_NOBODY_]

That will be wonderful if our brother Turks decide to buy J-10s as well.

Why would Turkey do that? Unlike us they have no problems getting F-16V, if it was possible for Pakistan to easily get F-16s then PAF would have never gone for J-10.

 

[Polestar 2]

That will be wonderful if our brother Turks decide to buy J-10s as well.

Not possible. Given the S-400 saga. Turkey will be kick out of NATO if they buy J-10C.

 

[ARMalik]

An older news article from Business Insider Australia from 2018.

China's J-10 fighter jet may be getting some impressive upgrades to make it more stealthy

China's main fighter jet, the J-10, may be being tested with new upgrades that will increase its maneuverability and make it more stealthy.

www.businessinsider.com.au

China’s J-10 fighter jet may be getting some impressive upgrades to make it more stealthy

• A photo on a Chinese defence magazine suggests that China’s main fighter jet, the J-10, is being tested with new upgrades that will increase its manoeuvrability and make it more stealthy.
• The upgrades appear to be the addition of a new type of thrust vectoring nozzle, as well as physical changes to parts of the jet.
• China has been aggressively pursuing stealth capabilities and the image suggests that China is looking for ways to make their aircraft deadlier.

China’s Chengdu J-10 multirole fighter jet may be getting an engine upgrade that will increase its manoeuvrability and make it harder to detect on radar.

Defence News reports that a photo of a J-10C in an unknown Chinese defence magazine features an engine that appears to be equipped with a thrust vectoring nozzle. The engine also appears to have sawtooth edges, according to Defence News, and the bottom part of the compartment that houses the fighter’s drogue parachute removed.

The new nozzle will enable the J-10 to be capable of thrust vectoring, sometimes referred to as thrust vector control or TVC. TVC happens when the engine itself is directed in different directions, directly manipulating the thrust generated from the engine.

This gives the pilot greater control of altitude and angular velocity, and enables the aircraft to make better turns substantially increasing manoeuvrability.

The new nozzle suggests that the Chinese have made gains in their attempts to add TVC technology to fighter jets.
But increased manoeuvrability is not the only thing that the engine provides. The sawtooth edges around the nozzle are similar to those used by other stealth aircraft like the F-35 and F-22. Russia’s Sukhoi Su-30/35 Flanker series of fighters also utilise the same edges.

The J-10C is actually an improved version of the J-10. It features enhanced 4th generation electronics like an active electronically scanned array radar, and also has a diverterless supersonic inlet, an air intake system that diverts boundary layer airflow away from the aircraft’s engine lowering its radar cross section.

The J-10 itself is rumoured to be a Chinese copy of the American F-16.

In the 1990s, Israel was hoping to make its own domestic fighter jet that could compete on the international market. It required assistance from US companies and ended up making the IAI Lavi, a fighter that heavily resembled the F-16.

After it was discovered that up to $US1.3 billion of US aid to Israel was spent on the development of the Lavi, and that the US was essentially funding a potential competitor, the project was canceled.

The plans for the fighter were then said to have been sold to China. Some US government officials even believed that Israel and China were collaborating with each other to develop the fighter. China and Israel have both denied all such claims.

China has been aggresively pursuing stealth capability for its jets. Last September, the government officially announced that its stealth fighter jet, the J-20, was in active service.

 

[HAIDER]

That will be wonderful if our brother Turks decide to buy J-10s as well.

They interested more in SU57 .


Russian fighter jets still in the game if Turkey-US F-16s talks fail
BY DAILY SABAH
ISTANBUL OCT 19, 2021 - 2:55 PM GMT+3


Russian President Vladimir Putin and President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan inspect a Sukhoi Su-57 fifth-generation fighter during the MAKS-2019 International Aviation and Space Salon in Zhukovsky outside Moscow, Russia, Aug. 27, 2019. (Reuters Photo)

 

[Polestar 2]

Why would Turkey do that? Unlike us they have no problems getting F-16V, if it was possible for Pakistan to easily get F-16s then PAF would have never gone for J-10.

I think turkey also have problem getting F-16V , the friction between US and Turkey are getting worst. Plus you cannot guarantee future will be worst and further support will might cease in future.

A very big reason PAF goes for J-10C even F-16V will be available to them now.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

That will be wonderful if our brother Turks decide to buy J-10s as well.

The Turkish authorities are extremely reluctant to buy the Russian platforms for the obvious reasons. With so much acrimony and distrust shrouding the defense relations with the West, I think the Turkish options are very limited. To counter the Greek Rafales, additional platforms are required. But the problem is to quicly establish an efficient support structure and putting the new jets into the existing network bypassing the NATO protocols and bottlenecks. With J-10c PAF may help them enormously in all aspects including linking them with the existing F-16s, AWACS, EW etc. via buffers....

 

[xuxu1457]

many people said that J10 COPY OF F16, IFV ETC
they should learn more about chengdu J9 FIGHTER

Chengdu J-9 - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[_NOBODY_]

I think turkey also have problem getting F-16V , the friction between US and Turkey are getting worst. Plus you cannot guarantee future will be worst and further support will might cease in future.

A very big reason PAF goes for J-10C even F-16V will be available to them now.

Turkey is a NATO country at the end of the day and there is a limit to how much pressure the United States can put on Turkey in matters of defence. Turkey can upgrade its F-16s to its heart's content, Turkey can put its own AESA radar in its F-16s if it wishes.

 

[raja786]

Hey THERE ARE 21-GUESTS ON THIS THREAD ...... NEVER SEEN SO MANY OF THESE GUEST BEFORE, WONDER WHY?

28 now most likely from Eastern border side.

 

[HAIDER]

PAF Buying J-10C? J-10C Model With Interesting Serial Number Spotted at PAF Base Masroor ( its 50 jets not 25)
January 23, 2021 Air 3,468 Views

J-10C plaque for PAF squadron Bandits


An interesting photo of the Chinese Chengdu J-10 Single-engine, lightweight fighter aircraft model spotted at PAF AB Masroor is circulating on social media.
The interesting thing about the J-10C model is the serial number of “21-601” and PAF squadron Bandits marking on it.

No. 7 Squadron, nicknamed the Bandits, is a fighter squadron of the Pakistan Air Force situated at PAF Base Masroor, Karachi which operates Dassault Mirage III fighters jets. Looks like PAF has finally decided to buy J-10C which
No. 7 Squadron, nicknamed the Bandits, is a fighter squadron of the Pakistan Air Force situated at PAF Base Masroor, Karachi which operates Dassault Mirage III fighters jets. Looks like PAF has finally decided to buy J-10C which
No. 7 Squadron, nicknamed the Bandits, is a fighter squadron of the Pakistan Air Force situated at PAF Base Masroor, Karachi which operates Dassault Mirage III fighters jets. Looks like PAF has finally decided to buy Chinese Chengdu J-10C which would replace old Mirage jets.
While the option for acquiring the J-10 jets had been on Pakistan’s table for quite some time it was halted with the joint production of the JF-17 fighter jets. Pakistan started discussing the purchase of the Chinese J-10 in 2009, but after the talk of joint production of the JF-17 jet started, it was put on hold. After the Rafale jet came to the Indian Air Force, Pakistan started that discussion again.

In September , 2020 Indian media sources claimed that the high-level government officers have informed that the discussions have resumed again among the Pakistani and Chinese officials for the procurement of J-10C jets for the PAF. Along with the J-10, Pakistan has also requested the PL-10 and PL-15 short-range and long-range air to air missiles.
According to sources, a 13-member team of Pakistani officials went to China on October 22 to finalize the deal. China and Pakistan finalized the discussion of buying 50 J-10 (CE) fighter jets
The J-10CE (the export version of the J-10C), is expected to neutralize some of the Indian threats and pose an additional challenge for the Indian Air Force. Like the F-16, the J-10 possesses a highly agile, aerodynamically unstable airframe that is stabilized by a computer in its fly-by-wire flight control system. The J-10C model is believed to have capabilities similar to a 4.5-generation fighter jet something similar to Indian Rafales.
The most significant enhancement is the inclusion of an AESA radar. AESA radars are the current gold standard in air warfare, boasting higher resolution, and greater discretion, and resistance to jamming. rs on its latest fighters.
Powered by a Russian engine giving it a maximum static thrust of approximately 123 kN, the single-engine tail-less canard delta wing J-10C is an upgraded version of its predecessors, sporting an Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) fire control radar and is made of composite materials for high strength and lower weight.
J-10C also participated in the recently concluded Pak-China Joint Air Exercise “Shaheen-IX” At PAF Base Bholari. Surprisingly, the J-10C was not sporting any markings of PLAAF, nor an identification number. However, the J-11BS arrived in normal livery.

China’s J-10C and J-11B fighters simulated India’s Rafale and Su-30 jets respectively in mock battles at the recently concluded Shaheen-9 China-Pakistan air exercises.
Many aspects of the J-10C mid-sized fighter jet, including the size, aerodynamic characteristics, aviation and weapon systems and overall combat capability, are comparable to the France-made Rafale, a type of fighter jet in service with the Indian Air Force, Fu said, noting that the J-11B heavy fighter jet has very similar appearance with India’s Su-30 fighter jet but with superior avionics system.
During Shaheen-9, air forces from both sides focused on “large scale confrontation, including large scale aerial battles and use of forces in mass and close-quarters aerial support,” CCTV said. More than 200 sorties were conducted by both sides, to boost combat capabilities in learning from each other.

@The Eagle here is detail ..

 

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[Raja Porus]

That’s because every other person on PDF thinks they will lose their paycheck if they cannot win an argument on PDF or they will stoop to the level of an Bhakt troll using loghorrea or worse.

Pakistanis(including myself) have problems balancing being productively critical or just criticism and negativity to assuage and satisfy inner guilt or victim mentality.

Exactly Moreover, now everyone just discusses equipment or their technical details and not their employment/ tactics. Everyone just wants the news of new eqpt but no one writes about planning, tactics, deployment according to ORBATS, scenarios. Moreover the Think tanks who used to post/ elaborate and take active part in such threads have either left or post rarely (IF such threads are created in the first place).
For instance you can compare all the threads of 2021 which will only be on procurement woth those of 2019/20 which will be on conflict analysis, operational planning of scenarios etc.

 

[HAIDER]

Exactly Moreover, now everyone just discusses equipment or their technical details and not their employment/ tactics. Everyone just wants the news of new eqpt but no one writes about planning, tactics, deployment according to ORBATS, scenarios. Moreover the Think tanks who used to post/ elaborate and take active part in such threads have either left or post rarely (IF such threads are created in the first place).
For instance you can compare all the threads of 2021 which will only be on procurement woth those of 2019/20 which will be on conflict analysis, operational planning of scenarios etc.

They are going Masroor base. Most probably equipped for a navel strike mission. Near Indian Gujrat and surrounding ports. India has 36 Rafale and Pak has bought 50 to counter single engine agile strike fighter ..

 

[untitled]

inshallah FAKE NEWS HOGI . i am still in hope that this news if fake .

Look at the bright side. This jet has a built-in webcam to make Tiktok videos:

Still not convinced you can always revisit this old thread:

J-10 might not needed as they don't add anything to PAF's capability

HAhahahaha We are still adding and Making JF-17 Sir Does that refrain to add any other Platform?? Going to a new platform is no easy task we will have to setup an entire infrastructure for that and from what i remember j10 was rejected for future fc 31 deal

defence.pk

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Turkey is a NATO country at the end of the day and there is a limit to how much pressure the United States can put on Turkey in matters of defence. Turkey can upgrade its F-16s to its heart's content, Turkey can put its own AESA radar in its F-16s if it wishes.

Limit?!? The last time they're not even giving tires for the Phantoms after the Cyprus liberation...