lol chinese equip also comes with conditions. Let me know when you see a J-10 flying alongside NATO planes. Infact, Chinese equip is literally downgraded for export...
Bro, I really don't understand but TBH, it seems you are bit bias against China.
You tell me honestly, Which one has more probability to happen?
J-10Cs in next few years flying in any international exercise
OR
F-16s flying in China or even in Pakistan at Shaheen exercises?
China definitely has proved to be trustworthy ally. The reason is we have commonality of objectives in the region. We share same neighborhood, we have a physical road connection (Karakoram highway, 1000s of pak china workers died making this incredible route), We share the common enemy. As a student of history, even I seems to be forgetting how numerous times only one nation stood by Pakistan when all others were at other side in intl diplomacy, intl forums, UN security council.
Recently, some mistrust might have developed and that's because Pakistani establishment moving heaven and earth to please the americans. Any chinese cold shoulder from now on is totally justified.
No F-16s because no money. Always been the same story...
@Bilal Khan (Quwa) @arslank03 (Tagging bilal, since you are in agreement with arslan). I wonder why we always tend to be in china bashing mode even when the history proves something else.
Its never been "ALWAYS" the same story. Number of times we had money and we even paid money, but instead we were given expired wheat instead of the F-16s. I wonder how come we forget history or forget parts of history just to make a point.
You guys are well aware, that we were being bullied by the US. Those times there was no alternative available (As China's tech was far behind at 2nd gen fighters), so US knew we could not go anywhere else. You guys know that we received AMRAAMs after 30 years of F-16. Our F-16s were toothless in entire 90's and 2000s without BVR capability. US only allowed to sell us AMRAAMS when entire NATO supplychain was passing through Pak and another important point that came in discussions of US policy makers during those times was that Pakistan already receiving BVR capability from China (SD-10). We were at the mercy of Indian BVR capability the whole time and we begged the US and never got it when we needed the most. How can anyone forget those 2 decades ??
Secondly, the kind of monitoring PAF F-16s are going through is not even remotely comparable with J-10Cs. This is a curse for any country with a bit of dignity but we don't really care. (ref:
https://warontherocks.com/2020/08/h...e-with-pakistan-can-help-it-deal-with-turkey/)
Apart from this there are numerous collaborations in many sensitive technologies including the missile programs, nuclear, both civil and otherwise. Thinking of such collaborations with the United States is unthinkable at first place. You do it with your trusted ally.
I can give several examples, I will just give one. Do you expect US to give us arms if we are at imminent risk of war with the india? I give you example, we begged US in previous wars and nothing happened despite being (non-nato ally BS), In 2002, we remember when indian and Pakistani forces were eye ball to eye ball, Chinese shipped F-7PGs within no time. This is called friendship. Atleast it was like that in those times.
I think all of us, including myself should try to change our views and try see things without the bais that has developed over the years. China is not a saint as well, In the end, country's relationships are based on mutual interests. If we realize, we have tremendous mutual interests with the power that's sitting just next instead the one which uses Pakistan as a tissue paper.
Edit:
Bilal & Arslan, Guys if you think: always no money and so no F-16s is a valid argument. Then why following happened:
1- J-10Cs are not coming free, eventually we are going to pay for it. We bought a new platform. PAF was flying F-16s for 4 decades, might have loved just 10 initial order of F-16 block 70 or even 52 but geopolitics 101 that PAF is aware that US would not have approved the sales. see point 2 why.
2- Forget F-16s, the US did not even approved the engines for Turk helicopters- how on earth they would have approved block-70 or even block 52 ?
3- and why in past we kept lobbying for F-16s, we obviously had the money in the past. Why instead of our even paid amounts we were given Wheat instead of the jets.
Yes, the US may only sell you some stuff when they need you as a hired goon.
