PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[TOPGUN]

JF-17 replaces Mirage III/V which are in the same size class. J-10C replaces F-16 which is in the same size class.

Wrong f-16's are not going anywhere for a very long time, these J-10CP are to fill in the gap which is much needed.

 

[Iron Shrappenel]

@PanzerKiel as we know PN has change its dynamics, you think there is a chance them going for a dedicated twin engine long range strike fighter ? Won't name any jets because then people will start going into shenanigan's.

Lmao f-15

 

[Trailer23]

 

[MastanKhan]

On this post, I mean for this very post of yours; keep my words with you and I wish that you and everyone else may live longer (In'Sha'ALLAH) when it becomes true while we will be celebrating right here.

PAC has tasted the blood of own hunt. Own product. The next thing is going to send shockwaves. A shock that might risk a huge backlash like back in 90s but, thanks to American influence & attempts of sabotage that it will be no longer relevant or matter at all. Pakistan is going to fly high and higher. Something to be called our own competing in the league close to stealth.

PN has their own advancement/plans into many areas and Pakistan Tri Services are going full NATO or above standard capabilities.... Air, Sea & Land. Indeed, it may sound too much of boasting but here, the capability does not mean billions & billions being spent. Pakistan is doing it way above than the capacity and in much better ways to be treated a modern force.

Hi,

PAC has tasted 'blood'---with the JF17.

In less than 1 decade---it had a flyable operational aircraft and with less than 20 years of its inception---it has already tasted combat and used some of the advanced weapons that it was designed to use---and it used them successfully.

It is due to the commitment of PAC and china that this aircraft has come about swinging right from the gate and I do not doubt that the next project would be another exceptional work as you stated.

Mastan,

Are you aware of the Viggen deal and followed by an initial evaluation of sending 2 PAF pilots to evaluate the Gripen in the early 1990s? Just asking out of curiosity


The Israelis have had embargoes from both the US and France back in the day. That's what pushed them to have their own aerospace and defence firms

Hi,

That part I have missed out on. Maybe you can shed some light on it.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Why do you keep saying I am in denial? I believe everything that is officially disclosed by PA, PN, PAF, and GOP. I don't trust any rumors on social media spread by anonymous people. Finally, respecting your request, I leave you to you. May ALLAH guide us all.

No they are not. Secondly I don't take information from those whose sources are social media or Haqeeqat TV. I take news from sources which are as reliable as they can get. I am not spreading lies you are. After seeing so many weapons in last one and a half year you are still in denial so nothing would change you. How about you stop being in denial. No I am not making anything happen I just literally try to get these kind of news 24 hours a day. So please lot of weapons are coming and lot more will come including big stuff. But no weapons can bring you out of your denial so stop debating with me please.

 

[serenity]

@帅的一匹 @Beast @MH.Yang @redtom @Shotgunner51 @siegecrossbow @vi-va @Polestar 2 @IblinI @serenity

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At the start mostly just talks about the history of the purchase and that PAF bought J-10C in response to IAF's purchase of Rafale and then talks about boring stuff like basic knowledge on it is able to drop bombs and nothing interesting or information that is the most basic. Talks about which countries ordered Rafale and how Rafale recently picked up many contracts due to upgrades Dassault did for Rafale and exports beating Eurofighter due to more efforts from Dassault to improve it while Euro consortium basically slowed heaps of upgrades.

Then talks about J-10CP able to use PL-15E (export version) and how this can most likely CEC with Chinese AWACS that PAF is using. He talks about Meteor being very strong and has excellent NEZ, great speed. He says the Rafale's strong point is EW. Beating Su-35 easily in exercises.

He says export price is probably 50M dollars each for J-10CP to PAF. This is less than half the Rafale's export unit price. This price obviously includes weapons package and parts supply and maintenance. This is basically the same price PLAAF pays for J-10. So basically no profit made. J-10CE price is actually higher but Pakistan is a part of BRI and a close ally and also an geopolitically important ally for BRI routes, that security of friendly government and nation is also important to China.

Pakistan's economic hopes at the moment do not look good at all. They cannot afford over 1.5 billion US dollars for around 30 J-10CP in this economic condition. Talks about Pakistan wanting to negotiate loans for CPEC and Beijing agreeing to delay repayments from Pakistan from years delay to indefinite.

Talks about money made from exports and the history. Boring basic knowledge stuff.

Rest is all boring irrelevant stuff relating to global political changes and military sales of other countries.

Basically whole thing says nothing worth watching/listening. No information that is new or interesting. Full of speculation on reason for purchase and history of arms sales like talking to someone who knows basically nothing about military stuff and sales.

 

[smart7788]

@帅的一匹 @Beast @MH.Yang @redtom @Shotgunner51 @siegecrossbow @vi-va @Polestar 2 @IblinI @serenity

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There are so many mistakes in the video and nothing useful.

 

[maverick1977]

i wanna laugh at guys who made fun of me last year when i told them that J10Cs are coming by spring of 2022… that i said in July last year..
For those a wipes, its wipe time ,

 

[Aesterix]

i wanna laugh at guys who made fun of me last year when i told them that J10Cs are coming by spring of 2022… that i said in July last year..
For those a wipes, its wipe time ,

Well we havent seen them yet at a PAF base, so there is 0.1 pecent chance that you were wrong...Still

 

[MultaniGuy]

In this article, it never says Rafale is better than J-10C

Pakistan Air Force speeds up fighter force modernisation with JF-17 Block III​

JF-17 Block III, J-10 induction to bolster country’s air power, meet future requirements

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Published: January 16, 2022 08:56 Sana Jamal, Correspondent

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Pakistan Air Force JF-17 Thunder flying over Nanga Parbat mountain. Image Credit: PAF Hamid Faraz
Islamabad: The year 2022 will be the most significant for Pakistan Air Force as it is set to replace its ageing fleet and modernise its fighter force to maintain superiority in air combat.

The most anticipated news is the rollout of JF-17 Thunder Block III fighter jets built at Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) Kamra, which will become the backbone of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) fleet. The rollout ceremony of Block III was held in December and the first of the 50 jets will officially join PAF in early 2022.










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Another noteworthy development is the reported induction of the advanced Chengdu J-10C aircraft in the coming months. Experts say that modern and more powerful aircraft would bolster Pakistan’s air power, meet future requirements, and balance power in the region.

The latest PAC Kamra-built JF-17 Block III aircraft rolled out in late December 2021. Image Credit: PSFAero Twitter

JF-17 Block III packs a big punch​

JF-17 Thunder is a single-engine, lightweight, multirole combat aircraft, jointly developed by China and Pakistan. PAC Kamra has delivered nearly 120 JF-17 Block I and II fighter jets to the PAF since 2009. “JF-17 fighter jet program is continuing at a startling speed as Pakistan achieved the development to operational capability to the launch of upgraded versions in a short span of 20 years.



The progress has been spectacular as more than 100 aircraft have already joined the PAF,” said retired Air Marshal Farhat Hussain Khan who is currently serving as President of Islamabad-based Centre for Aerospace and Security Studies (CASS). He served for 36 years with the PAF retiring as Vice Chief of Air Staff and also worked as chief project director of the JF-17 program.

Pakistan’s first 4.5-generation aircraft​

The Block III variant of JF-17 will be the country’s first 4.5-generation aircraft and most advanced jet equipped with a modern radar system, upgraded sensors, software, and engine to adapt to rapidly evolving technologies. “One of the key features will be the world’s most advanced Airborne Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar” which is the gold standard in modern aircraft, Khan told Gulf News.

Block III will see “massive upgrades in the airframe and systems which will significantly improve the aircraft’s performance and allow it to carry additional armaments.” The new variant of the combat and battle-proven JF-17 fighter jet “will attract international interest as it will be the only aircraft of its type packing advanced features but is also affordable,” he added. Nigeria and Myanmar are the first export customers for the JF-17 while Malaysia, Argentina, Sri Lanka, Azerbaijan, Egypt, Iraq have expressed interest.

New batch of dual-seat JF-17 fighter jets joined Pakistan Air Force on December 30, 2020. Image Credit: Supplied

What makes JF-17 Block III versatile?​

Pakistan’s JF-17 Block III version is considered to be in the same league as Sweden’s next-generation JAS 39 Gripen NG - both featuring cutting-edge avionics and high performance while maintaining increased levels of operational readiness. Defence analyst Shahid Raza considers the more capable AESA radar one of the major features in Block III. “This radar provides detection of fighter-sized targets at 170 kilometres away, include multimode look-down, shoot-down capability, and can also engage over the horizon threats, making this lightweight aircraft a great asset,” Raza told Gulf News.



Other key features include a wide-angle holographic heads-up display which offers a field of view larger than that of F-16, three-axis fly-by-wire digital flight control system, integrated cockpit with single piece man-machine interface, helmet mounted display (HMD) to take full advantage of the PL-10 imaging infrared-guided (IIR) missile’s high-off boresight (HOBS) abilities as well as electronic warfare suite.

Block III weapon payload​

“Block III includes one additional hardpoint, making a total of eight, to carry extra pods, weapons, smart munitions, sensors. It will carry IIR-guided PL-10 HOBS air-to-air missiles which is of the same class as American AIM-9x Sidewinder, French MICA ER and IRIS-T German missiles,” Raza explained.

What makes JF-17 Block III more powerful is the access to the “Extended range beyond-visual-range (BVR) PL-15 missiles with 200 km range, which outranges the American AIM-120D Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM).” It can also carry two CM-400AKG anti-ship missiles, laser and GPS guided weapons and cruise missiles.

J-10C aircraft. Image Credit: Chinese media

Is Pakistan acquiring J-10C from China?​

Although there is no official confirmation or denial from the air force yet, however, insiders say the country will soon acquire 25 Chengdu J-10 ‘Vigorous Dragon’ multirole fighters. Pakistan’s Interior Minister Sheikh Rasheed Ahmed has announced that J-10C would take part in the Pakistan Day event on March 23, adding that the jets are a “counter to India’s Dassault Rafale jets.”

J-10C to help PAF achieve air dominance​

Pakistan has long expressed interest in the advanced J-10 as part of ongoing efforts to replace its ageing fleet of F-7, and Mirages as PAF continues to adapt and modernise warfighting capabilities. If confirmed, the acquisition would mark “a major milestone,” making it the most modern and capable fighter in the Pakistani fleet.

“J-10C is a capable platform with advanced avionics and able to conduct multiple air-to-air and air-to-ground operations, making it a valuable addition to PAF’s inventory. The induction will also help regain the balance of power in the region, which had been adversely affected with the induction of Rafale jets by the Indian Air Force,” said retired Air Marshal Ashfaque Arain, director at CASS.

J-10C - ‘True swing-role aircraft’​

Pakistan is expected to buy the latest J-10C model, which has Chinese-built WS-10 engines and features AESA radar and compatibility with extended range PL-15 BVR missiles. The J-10C can help PAF “achieve air dominance and conduct Suppression and Destruction of Enemy Air Defences (SEAD/DEAD) missions to disrupt and destroy adversary air defence systems” said Shahid Raza. “J-10C features a true swing-role capability as it is able to swing between air to air combat, anti-surface and ground attack roles.”

PAF rethinking high-low mix​

The news of possible induction of J-10C has prompted debate whether Pakistan requires another advanced jet along with the rollout of the locally developed capable JF-17 Block III fighter jet. Air Commodore Kaiser Tufail, a former pilot who has flown all PAF fighter jets until 2005 when he retired after 30 years of service, explained the reason for acquiring both aircraft.

“There’s a concept in air force called ‘high-low mix’ which means a mix of a smaller number of expensive and extremely capable aircraft (high) along with a large number of cheaper yet lethal fighter jets (low).” The low-cost and lightweight fighter JF-17 “is the workhorse of Pakistan Air Force which we will have in large numbers. But PAF would also require a smaller fleet of high-end fighters like J-10C which is the most capable yet affordable,” he said, citing the example of the US Air Force that considered the F-16 as a low-end aircraft to augment the F-15 air superiority.

J-10C vs Rafale​

Many Pakistani commentators including the interior minister have described the J-10 acquisition as a “counter” to the Rafale jets acquired by India. The J-10C is considered Chinese equivalent to the American F-16s but it will be a significant leap for Pakistan, which relies on older F-16s that have not received upgrades. Comparing the J-10C with Dassault Rafale, Tufail said that “Rafale is one of the world’s most advanced non-stealthy fighters.

One of its key features is the next generation Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air Missile (BVRAAM) weapon called ‘Meteor’ which has an estimated range of over 150 kilometres. J-10C will fill this gap as it boasts the capable AESA radar and long-range PL-15 missiles that can outrange the missile on Rafale,” he said. The “J-10 is currently the best option for PAF in terms of capability and affordability” to modernize its fleet as well as to achieve and maintain air dominance.

Nobody said Rafale is better than J-10C. They just said Rafale is one of the most advanced non-stealthy fighters out there.

 

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[Falcon26]

J-10C looks much better than Rafale. DSI is a real looker.

Objectively speaking, Rafale is among the most beautiful jets ever made. It leaves the J-10 in the dust.

 

[Pappa Alpha]

Objectively speaking, Rafale is among the most beautiful jets ever made. It leaves the J-10 in the dust.

Looks are subjective. No objectivity here.


Does anyone know which variant of the PL-15 will be used by J-10CP? The shorter range export version or the full range version?

 

[applesauce]

Objectively speaking, Rafale is among the most beautiful jets ever made. It leaves the J-10 in the dust.

you should really look up what the word"objectively" means.

I do like the look of the rafale too though.

 

[jaybird]

At the start mostly just talks about the history of the purchase and that PAF bought J-10C in response to IAF's purchase of Rafale and then talks about boring stuff like basic knowledge on it is able to drop bombs and nothing interesting or information that is the most basic. Talks about which countries ordered Rafale and how Rafale recently picked up many contracts due to upgrades Dassault did for Rafale and exports beating Eurofighter due to more efforts from Dassault to improve it while Euro consortium basically slowed heaps of upgrades.

Then talks about J-10CP able to use PL-15E (export version) and how this can most likely CEC with Chinese AWACS that PAF is using. He talks about Meteor being very strong and has excellent NEZ, great speed. He says the Rafale's strong point is EW. Beating Su-35 easily in exercises.

He says export price is probably 50M dollars each for J-10CP to PAF. This is less than half the Rafale's export unit price. This price obviously includes weapons package and parts supply and maintenance. This is basically the same price PLAAF pays for J-10. So basically no profit made. J-10CE price is actually higher but Pakistan is a part of BRI and a close ally and also an geopolitically important ally for BRI routes, that security of friendly government and nation is also important to China.

Pakistan's economic hopes at the moment do not look good at all. They cannot afford over 1.5 billion US dollars for around 30 J-10CP in this economic condition. Talks about Pakistan wanting to negotiate loans for CPEC and Beijing agreeing to delay repayments from Pakistan from years delay to indefinite.

Talks about money made from exports and the history. Boring basic knowledge stuff.

Rest is all boring irrelevant stuff relating to global political changes and military sales of other countries.

Basically whole thing says nothing worth watching/listening. No information that is new or interesting. Full of speculation on reason for purchase and history of arms sales like talking to someone who knows basically nothing about military stuff and sales.

I think this Marcus guy in the video is probably from Taiwan. His credibility goes down the drain in the beginning of the video saying J-10C use Russian engine RD-93MA. I would've forgive his mistake if he was saying it was AL-31FN. But RD-93MA ??