PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[Aesterix]

Differences between C and CView attachment 816484View attachment 816483View attachment 816482View attachment 816481View attachment 816480

Apart from the antenna, the rest has more to do with the batch of J-10C, Rather than C or CP.
Older batches didn't have MAWS near the air intake, batch 5 and later have that.
PAF is getting the latest batch 7.

There are so many upgrades and EW gadgets put in extra for PAF. Very few may see it. PAF specific allocations of MAWS, RWRs to be precisely. Differently shaped antennas tells a lot of modification done for PAF.

MAWS seem to be added after batch 5 , regardless of PAF or Chinese version.
PAF getting batch 7. However there may be other PAF specific changes.

View attachment 816479Presenting to you the Mighty J10 Chocolate

Wait for J-10 naswaar.

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

Apart from the antenna, the rest has more to do with the batch of J-10C, Rather than C or CP.
Older batches didn't have MAWS near the air intake, batch 5 and later have that.
PAF is getting the latest batch 7.


MAWS seem to be added after batch 5 , regardless of PAF or Chinese version.
PAF getting batch 7. However there may be other PAF specific changes.

So in-built IRST is also present.
Some people were saying that PAF doesn't need IRST but here it is

 

[MH.Yang]

Have cruise missiles for that. Why send the jets all the way.

The max-range of Su-35 is 3600km.

Chinese Su-35 can use YJ62&YJ83 &YJ91. The max-range of these missiles is 280km, the max-speed is Mach 1.5, the lowest flight altitude is only 1.5m from the sea surface.

 

[Aesterix]

So in-built IRST is also present.
Some people were saying that PAF doesn't need IRST but here it is

We can all thank Modi jee .
He gave the February 2019 experience/ experiment to PAF.
That in my opinion, changed PAF doctrine and gave them tons of confidence.
IRST more useful in WVR combat, which PAF now seems to be confident with.
Previous PAF didn't want to go near Indian jets and engage in BVR only, hence no need of IRST.

 

[The Eagle]

MAWS seem to be added after batch 5 , regardless of PAF or Chinese version.
PAF getting batch 7. However there may be other PAF specific changes.

I see. People arguing over number if antennas, is irrelevant and that's all I can say.

 

[ARMalik]

No one is here to win the internet world and be praised like keyboard joe. This is a Forum. You say something and move on. Let the people agree or disagree. Stop with brownie points stupidity. What's for apologizing? We are not here to shame and name. It's just a shameless act. Grow up and move on.

You misinterpreted the post. That's what I was saying that "It would be like squeezing water out of stone" meaning NO ONE WILL BOTHER WITH APOLOGIZING (hence should move on).

 

[Shotgunner51]

In 2018, PLAAF obtained 24 Su-35. The Chinese added AESA to them and could use PL-15.

No. Delivery of Su-35 started in late 2016 not 2018 (4 units in 2016, 10 in 2017, 10 in 2018). These birds are primarily used by FTTC (175 AB "Blue Team") for tactics development & skills training especially TVC-related battle, replacing the 27SK. PLAAF doesn't even bother to change the Russian style blue-grey camouflage let alone its avionics.

 

[Aesterix]

I see. People arguing over number if antennas, is irrelevant and that's all I can say.

True.
If we compare the shapes of antenna in CP and C , the single tall antenna on top are very different.
Meaning this antenna may have different purpose frequency or capacity than the one on C , Chinese version.

 

[The Terminator]

Please check dissimilarities on marked location...the missing Data link Antenna View attachment 816448might be relocated in CP

Even the middle antenna looks different and bigger on J-10CP.

No one is noticing extra sensor on J10CP next to number 720, missing in Chinese version. Is it an additional MAWs sensor?

Because it resembles to one on JF-17

 

[Princeps Senatus]

I'm not joking. PLAAF does have 24 su-35s, which have been modified.




Don't you want to go for a ride in the Indian Ocean? And say hello to Indian ships?

JF-17s based at Karachi can do that

 

[Reichmarshal]

Our deal with the Chinese ( if it materializes) regarding their
Su 35 would be more a lease agreement. As these birds will primarily be for the defence of our sea lanes n to keep the cpac lines of comm open ie their primarily mission will be in a naval role.
These birds have already been heavily modified by the Chinese, but with the progress of Chinese 5th gen. Ac they have no role/use for the su 35.

So at this point a win win for all.

Ps : some of the member at the time of the signing of the deal between Russia n China for the su 35 were saying that to overcome the threat of sanctions n russian apprehensions, China is buying these jets for Pakistan n will be transfered over time.
It might have been wishful thinking at the time but now it stands a very real chance of becoming reality.

 

[The Terminator]

Our deal with the Chinese ( if it materializes) regarding their
Su 35 would be more a lease agreement. As these birds will primarily be for the defence of our sea lanes n to keep the cpac lines of comm open ie their primarily mission will be in a naval role.
These birds have already been heavily modified by the Chinese, but with the progress of Chinese 5th gen. Ac they have no role/use for the su 35.

So at this point a win win for all.

Ps : some of the member at the time of the signing of the deal between Russia n China for the su 35 were saying that to overcome the threat of sanctions n russian apprehensions, China is buying these jets for Pakistan n will be transfered over time.
It might have been wishful thinking at the time but now it stands a very real chance of becoming reality.

Once operational at a respectable scale, defending CPEC integrity and related comms channels could be more of a concern for Chinese rather than us. So even if we don't get anything on lease, Chinese would be compelled to intervene and defend their only other supply line apart from the already vulnerable route going through Indian ocean and not so friendly South China Sea.

 

[Tehmasib]

Just for information! 6 to 8 J10CP BATCH 1, will arrive (inshaallah) Ist week of Mar 2022
ہمارے استاد چین میں 23 مارچ پاسٹ کے مطابق ان پر اپنا ہاتھ صاف کررہے ہیں

 

[xuxu1457]

I think Pakistani pilots have already completed the flight training of the J10 fighter in China.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

But in 1970s -1990s french fighters like mirage2000 were wotld class fighters..

Well china waspoorer then pakistan in 1980s. So that is not a way to compare things

French still make good jets, the problem is, they are stuck at 4.5 generation. While China has leapfrogged to 5 and even beyond. One this basis, when you are comparing J10 and Rafale, J10 is superior because it is borrowing technology from Chinese fifth gen platforms like J20. Rafale do not have this exposure, even Eurofighter I would say. This is the problem with European jets.