PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[Pappa Alpha]

Severe shortage in India of the following...

 

[MisterSyed]

Man i cant wait to see J10c in PAF color Scheme...

 

[FuturePAF]

No one is willing to sale BVRs to Egypt, indian rafales coming with better equipment

Indians paid double to get certain key ToT, but the French have reneged on the agreement, claiming Indian companies can not absorb the technology. India has sued Dassault.

 

[Trailer23]

Severe shortage in India of the following...

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New Packing...

 

[The Terminator]

The hi

It is not just about the Missile(s) but the SPECTRA suite on Rafale which sets the French jets apart from most competition. With SPECTRA, the Jets virtually become stealth and do not appear on enemy sensors.

Well EW capability is an entirely a different kind of weird wizardry. It's quite possible that the world's most advanced EW suite could fail against primitive sensors or the world's sloppiest EW suite might shine against the best of sensors package.

So unless the 2 adversaries actually come against each other with their support package in real time scenario then the EW score would be settled more precisely. Untill then both the sides would try their best in Electronic Intelligence gathering and keep guessing the other's capabilities.

And for start, Qatar's Rafale are deployed in Turkey where both the Turks and Pakistan evaluate them thoroughly and the latest tranche of most advanced Rafales would be coming to the UAE soon too.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

So now the most beautiful Rafale photos will have the J-10 HUD frame.

Would love to see J-10CP photos with a slight reflection of the TFX canopy (and vice-versa)

 

[Trango Towers]

Also, it might have skipped through the minds of many here but, less is seen in regard to advance and modern weapon procurement like F-16 or J-10.

Taking over the command of balancing geostrategic equation and replacing a power with more influence having control to hold the region together and with equal military power balance.

Does anyone try to understand that? US always vouch and sold weapons only as per needed power balance and keeping the influence over certain parties in the region while controlling the escalation tech. We have seen it before and that too, it was kept balanced by Pakistan. Whether USSR in Afghanistan or post Afghan war, Pakistan emerges as the regional king maker.

A fact and bit of harsh reality which is more of a truth to say that US will have hard time to forget instead of people saying that PAF is obsessed and F-16 boys wouldn't let it go. Ultimately, Pakistan is the one balancing regional conventional power by keeping ahead of only warmongering PM in East. Eventually and not to surprise, China has taken over the role of balancing the regional theater by way of weapon sale and so the economic practice. The geostrategic balance command is shifted to China and who's the key here.... Pakistan.

This fact alone hitting hard or might be hard for Viper producing and blocking Country.

China is now replacing US in this regard and the show has just begun. It's not just about J-10C but that command to control and balance regional strategic games. The most sensitive and advance tech, aka J-10 is nothing less than those Vipers in 80s for PAF. Game changing and so the geostrategic referee. For US, holding back onto something such as Viper and some other stuff believing into submission by Pakistan, was the least wrong move and apparently lost it.

What's next then? Drums of unrest and chaotic situation so that Pakistan, China and Russia be affected. Pakistan could be the first Target since only Muslim nuclear power and with unsustainable economy till now.

Game rules changing and so the game itself.

Well written and very true.
However in order to get some influence the US may now offer additional f16 and upgrades. Life is never simple and Pakistan is a country that simply cannot be ignored. Imagine if we were not corrupt ... kash igar

 

[Signalian]

sir PAF did not buy jets for 15-20 years we buy for 30-40 years these j-10 will be here flying 2050 . if you look history paf always have gap 15+years but becasue those were US systems so when soviet tech reached there we buy another jet from USA . but this time its chinese tech lets see how PAF counter it . forget azm it will be now in 2035-40.

I would have been overjoyed if a stealth aircraft was joining PAF instead of another 4th gen like J-10. This would then have been a considerable leap over IAF's Rafale acquisition.

 

[The Terminator]

Can this news be confirmed to be true? Can I forward it to the forum in China?

A federal minister who has allegedly ties with the military establishment is quite a revelation! It's more probable to be true.

 

[GriffinsRule]

Then you need to ask yourself this question why China never inducted the JF-17 if its capabilities are matching to J-10 or near on par.

Not to mention ,JF-17 and J-10 are both design by China. There is no better authority than China to gauge which is better and the very reason why PLAAF induct J-10 only.

Same reason why people including me were against J-10 in PAF. Same era fighter with pretty much the same capability and hence little need to add another type to fleet.

 

[The Eagle]

Well written and very true.
However in order to get some influence the US may now offer additional f16 and upgrades. Life is never simple and Pakistan is a country that simply cannot be ignored. Imagine if we were not corrupt ... kash igar

I agree on the part of further possible offer by US to keep the doors open for the least of relations but, that boat of major non NATO ally and mutual works has sailed. Any further dealing would be like a matter of usual give and get.

 

[Trango Towers]

I agree on the part of further possible offer by US to keep the doors open for the least of relations but, that boat of major non NATO ally and mutual works has sailed. Any further dealing would be like a matter of usual give and get.

Yes bhai...

Knowing Americas past they will drop their pants when it suits them. They have almost no influence in Pakistan other than f16s and cobras.
They know that j10c is to counter their f16 position..they have no cards left.

We live in interesting times. Let's see InshAllah

 

[khail007]

No one is willing to sale BVRs to Egypt, indian rafales coming with better equipment

Egypt previously shows interest in JF-17; if they want BVRs then to keep their interest alive.

 

[The Eagle]

Yes bhai...

Knowing Americas past they will drop their pants when it suits them. They have almost no influence in Pakistan other than f16s and cobras.
They know that j10c is to counter their f16 position..they have no cards left.

We live in interesting times. Let's see InshAllah

In'Sha'ALLAH... Everything will be ok. Not much of worrying in military procurement or armament domain.

What worries me personally, and I say that personally I am worried due to most corrupt, double faced so-called public leaders in political domain and in the form of media/influencers etc that are on disposal of foreign sponsors. That area will remain a threat but let's hope for the best while we strive for it. Unless we are not helping ourselves, I see hoping is merely like deceiving ourselves since we are too incompetent and lazy to bear the hardships.

 

[Deltadart]

This basically. The F16s are match for the Rafales but in order to gain the qualitative edge this was the move to do getting J10s with 200km BVR range.. This has to be a continuous process and goes onto in the 2029-2030s our plan has to be to induct MIUS and TFX which are two 5th generation unmanned and manned aircrafts the dice keeps rolling and we constantly keep that pace with India thru to until 2050s.... Keeping the qualitative edge.

On all sectors.

stragetic force operational level
Conventional operational level
Intelligence operational level

The latest version of F16s could give most fighters in it's class a run

Folks no need for any pinch of salt or confirmation. Myself @Signalian @The Eagle have been moderating posts of an extremely sensitive nature, the news was confirmed quite a while back and they will be here in numbers in March.
Congrats to all.

Congrats to all the mods, analysts, and our seniors here.

Indian posters are, by and large, absent from this thread.

Oh no, you have done it now. Now we will be swarmed by the bobble head indians en masse.