Betaa, khalona nahi mila... tension na lo.. ek do aur dela den ge.. sabar kero..
Hi,
At 60 plus years of age---I could qualify to be Dad / grand dad to many---so don't go there.
Talk professional---.
During 80s due to Afghan war US was willing to sell military equipment and they even propose ToT F-20s but PAF went with F-16 and even turn down M2Ks because at that time it was right decision as M2K was inferior to F-16s at that time and F-16 was better choice due to better multirole specially dog fight capability and it was the answer what USSR could have fielded against Pakistan, what Pakistan miss was ToT of F-20 we should have gone for it by some how arranging funds.
During 90s it was our corrupt rulers who did not let PAF buy decent 4th gen fighter as for M2K5 it was not just corruption, French were also offering them on higher price keeping in view of limited options of PAF in terms of getting new birds.
In 2000 PAF did make a mistake, they should have gone for 36 Rafales (but it was not fully mature platform then) with equipment for JFT along with used MLUed F-16s.
Hi,
You thoughtless man---the mirage indeed was not inferior to the F16 at that time---but in due time it became as supreior to the F16 or more---.
What the fck happened to the MAN BEHIND THE MACHINE that was being bragged by the Paf for decades.
Indian would never be able to get the F16 at that time---.
With the Mirage 2000 in Pak air force---Paf would have neutered IAF.
USSR had nothing to field against the Paf at that time---the pakistani mirage 3/5 were as good an aircraft in combat as any---.
Supposedly the first kills were done by the mirage---.
The Paf commited TREASON by allowing the indians to get the "SECOND BEST" aircraft the mirage 2000.
The Rafale was a mature program in 2002---. It was the leading aircraft of the world second most potent super power.
Stop telling lies for the sake of Paf---.
Sir when every one has an opinion, It is called democracy. And are you advocating that certain people should have or share their opinion and others don't. May be i dont know much about what we are discussing, but i m in the process of learning, same as you when you were in your 20s or 30s.
And by the way you should be polite to other junior members. you dont know that members like me are learning a huge amount of things from members like you, and element of respect has been created for such members like you in our hearts. If you dont agree with what I say put a sensible argument instead of teaching mannerism.
Hi,
There is no such thing as "democracy" in pakistan---it is a mob rule and chaos---.
In weapons purchase---there is no such thing as democracy.
Develop a thick skin and that is the only way you will learn---.
For pakistani kids---they need to be smacked hard----otherwise all your lives you will claim to be learning and in the end learn nothing---.
When you want to learn---GET YOUR EGO OUT OF THE WAY---that is first and foremost---.
If you hear something different---you need to latch onto that and find out why someone is talking different---what is the reason---what is the purpose---.
I did not " learn " as you stated in my 20's and 30's---my tragedy is that I started learning it when I was 7 years old---there was a plethora of books about war in my house that my father had started buying for me to read after I was born---.
I don't have time for any "sensible" argument---you kids need to DEVELOP the resource to get to the crux of the matter by delving and diving deeper into the issue---and learn to ask---WHY.
It is you who needs to widen your horizons---my time has come and gone---I am just a crusty old man---who don't give a sh-it if I hurt your feelings or if you hurt my ego / feelings---.