PAF F-16s Do Incorporate DRFM Technology !

[Thorough Pro]

Actually that benefits PAF, the more wrong info the enemy has about PAF, the more shocking the surprise

No dude, it's somewhere where some guys are pretending to be PAF pilots as this position seems to be something of a Babe magnet.... I told the group that my only association with PAF is my interest but they still think i am hiding something and keep asking for info to expose the fake pilots.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

The Strike Eagle can carry more and travel further. Even the Israelis have decided to buy more F15s rather than order more F35s


I don't think the Americans would have allowed us to modify the F16s for Link 17. Hence the insistence on having them Link16 capable from the factory

exactly @Windjammer

 

[Basel]

Look, as I told you before, if you want to believe that, be my guest. You're entitled to your opinion.

I may ask HONDA to build me the CRX, as it was a bitchin' ride. I'll cough up the money for it.

Yes..., about those MiG-29's that Russia is producing for India. All of a sudden, Russia decided to open up the facility for a outdated Aircarft that was initially produced during the Soviet-era. They'll do that, by putting their new MiG-35, aside.

No.

It doesn't work like that. If it did, Boeing would've kick-started the B737-800 (NG's) for the troubles being faced by the Max.

Moving on. The Mig-29's you speak of aren't being produced. They had been left in storage as the Soviet Union couldn't afford them, hence they were offered at a very cheap price - but with some modifications (obviously).

You are more than welcome to read the articles mentioned below. Mind you, the word highlighted is 'mothballed'.


https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...gent-mig-29-purchase/articleshow/67968978.cms

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https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2...-talks-to-sell-21-mig-29-fighters-to-iaf.html

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If you don't like to be lectured then kindly stop lecturing other as other also know things that you don't know.

 

[Trailer23]

If you don't like to be lectured then kindly stop lecturing other as other also know things that you don't know.

I'm pretty sure there are plenty who know quite a lot, but you still haven't responded to your views about Russia building India those 21 MiG-29's. Why 21? and not 22, 23 or 24? I mean..., you - yourself brought it up. I never mentioned MiG-29's.

For the answer, I suggest you return back to my [earlier] post & read the article...slowly.

By the way, the 'lectured' conversation was between me and another Member. Know your limits and stay out of the debate/conversation between 2 individuals.

 

[airomerix]

No Offense...

But 'I' certainly don't need to be informed or lectured on the grounding of the B737 Max. I'm a Type-Rated Crew Member that has flown on every variant of the B737 (Originals/Classics/NG's/Max). The Max has screwed up our lives because our flying has decreased & everyday we're hoping for a breakthrough.

I also know someone who works in the FAA, who has told me that don't keep my hopes too high.

And yes, i'm well aware of all small (single-aisle) aircrafts. I work for one of those Low Cost/Budget airlines. But Boeing's troubles have increased the sales of airbus & its a320 Family.

P.S.: I've authored a book on the History of the B737, for which I was awarded with a Limited Edition Watch of the B737 First Flight (1967) - 100 Years of Boeing.

Why do I have a feeling you work for flydubai?

 

[Flight of falcon]

lol ok

pdf these days has become a conspiracy theory factory



matches what I heard, but what I heard was Pakistan was offered two Ronald Reagan aircraft carriers and three squadrons of F-22 in exchange for Pakistan canceling the AZM program and eight submarine orders from China.

This guy is just making up this nonsense .... I am happy he didn’t claim two squadrons of raptors Were offered .....just for a second think about the cost, logistics, training etc required to introduce a twin engine ‘out of production’ aircraft.

 

[Gryphon]

This guy is just making up this nonsense .... I am happy he didn’t claim two squadrons of raptors Were offered .....just for a second think about the cost, logistics, training etc required to introduce a twin engine ‘out of production’ aircraft.

The Americans know exactly what the PAF needs - a twin engine, long range fighter platform that complements the F-16s via its interoperability - as in the US, Israel and Korea. And add to it a degree of commonality, i.e., the engine, weapons package, etc.

Now, they make you an offer - take 36× F-15E's supported through a loan package. You are tempted at first but subsequently cancellation of the Azm project is put as precondition - 71× F-16s come to your mind and a 'no' instantly comes out.

Regarding 'out of production', have you read about the orders from Qatar?

 

[Cornered Tiger]

I hope we should get our own "Vipers" first going further down the road.

 

[mingle]

The Americans know exactly what the PAF needs - a twin engine, long range fighter platform that complements the F-16s via its interoperability - as in the US, Israel and Korea. And add to it a degree of commonality, i.e., the engine, weapons package, etc.

Now, they make you an offer - take 36× F-15E's supported through a loan package. You are tempted at first but subsequently cancellation of the Azm project is put as precondition - 71× F-16s come to your mind and a 'no' instantly comes out.

Regarding 'out of production', have you read about the orders from Qatar?

According to @Tipu7 Pak gonna spend 48 Billion $$ on defence in next 4 yrs if we add CSF I hope it will resolve this year then we looking 54 - 56 Billion $$$ on defence if this is true except some big ticket items too. F15 fitts the Bill along used F16 package to V upgrades.Azam is still a paper concept we looking good 10-15 yrs if every thing goes smooth and resources available for it. A combo of F15'16 will give any enemy of Pak sleepless nights a good 36 to 45 F15P order for Pak will create meltdown East of Pak. What a beast that plane is simply awesome.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

The Americans know exactly what the PAF needs - a twin engine, long range fighter platform that complements the F-16s via its interoperability - as in the US, Israel and Korea. And add to it a degree of commonality, i.e., the engine, weapons package, etc.

Now, they make you an offer - take 36× F-15E's supported through a loan package. You are tempted at first but subsequently cancellation of the Azm project is put as precondition - 71× F-16s come to your mind and a 'no' instantly comes out.

Regarding 'out of production', have you read about the orders from Qatar?

I'm starting to wonder ... what are the chances of the US actually ending the F-16 and, in its place, introducing a stripped down F-35 (ala F-16 79) or cheaper FGFA for export purposes (ala F-20).

There's evidently a market for such a fighter as there are not one, but four NGFs in development (KF-X, AMCA, AZM, and TF-X) in states (not S. Korea, but Indonesia) that will have trouble getting all of the F-35's technology, but still want a NGF bad enough to develop it. And then there are a bunch of other states (e.g., KSA, UAE, Qatar, etc) who'll basically wait. There's a market for 1,000 planes just sitting there.

Could they take the electronics of the LM F21, but re-fit the F-35 with the F-16's engine? Or quickly develop a simpler and cheaper FGFA exclusively for the export market?

According to @Tipu7 Pak gonna spend 48 Billion $$ on defence in next 4 yrs if we add CSF I hope it will resolve this year then we looking 54 - 56 Billion $$$ on defence if this is true except some big ticket items too. F15 fitts the Bill along used F16 package to V upgrades.Azam is still a paper concept we looking good 10-15 yrs if every thing goes smooth and resources available for it. A combo of F15'16 will give any enemy of Pak sleepless nights a good 36 to 45 F15P order for Pak will create meltdown East of Pak. What a beast that plane is simply awesome.

There's no way Pakistan is going to spend $48 billion on procurement. It might spend that much on defence as a whole, but most of that money will go into salaries, pensions, maintenance, operations, etc. Best case scenario, Pakistan might spend $8-12 billion on procurement, but that's assuming the economy actually picks up through exports, hard currency gains, and tax collection.

 

[Tipu7]

According to @Tipu7 Pak gonna spend 48 Billion $$ on defence

According to "Pakistani Defense Market - Attractiveness, Competitive Landscape and Forecasts to 2024" report.

 

[Tipu7]

I'm starting to wonder ... what are the chances of the US actually ending the F-16 and, in its place, introducing a stripped down F-35

We have tried this option but didn't end well. The depth in our strategic relationship is not deep enough to justify such purchase.
Advance blocks of F16, however, is different story. Upcoming months will be deciding factor as getting rid of FATF grey list is very important before exploring high end defense machines from Western Markets.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

We have tried this option but didn't end well. The depth in our strategic relationship is not deep enough to justify such purchase.
Advance blocks of F16, however, is different story. Upcoming months will be deciding factor as getting rid of FATF grey list is very important before exploring high end defense machines from Western Markets.

I was just thinking generally from the US' PoV. Let's take Pakistan, Turkey and South Korea out, fair, it's still a market of around 600-700 fighters in the Middle East and Asia. So, it's surprising that the US doesn't have any solution for it (via a downgraded F-35 at least). It's a weird omission.

As for the PAF, the only (but remote) possibility is new-build F-16s. If you combine upgrading the existing fleet and add 2 new Block-72 squadrons, the PAF could field 100 additional AESA-equipped fighters in the 2020s plus the 50 JF-17 Block-IIIs. However, we should also keep in mind that PAC's Block-III output for the PAF in 2021-2024 is only 12 planes a year. Sure, exports might eat into the overall capacity (24 a year?), but there might still be room for a larger PAF order in 2021-2024. So, if there are no off-the-shelf fighters, the PAF can crank-up Block-III orders.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

a twin engine, long range fighter platform that complements the F-16s via its interoperability

Why not J11 or J16 which can compliment the JF 17?

 

[Trailer23]

I'm starting to wonder ... what are the chances of the US actually ending the F-16 and, in its place, introducing a stripped down F-35 (ala F-16 79).

Could they take the electronics of the LM F21, but re-fit the F-35 with the F-16's engine? Or quickly develop a simpler and cheaper FGFA exclusively for the export market?

So what you're suggesting is stripping down a complete F-35 (JSF) including its Stealth Coating/ low observable technology (LO technology) and fitting it with a General Electric F110 or a Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-220.

You also mentioned taking the Electronics from the F-21, but if memory serves they're both the same which sets it apart from the conventional F-16 Block 70/72.

Now, if all that i've understood from the above scenario - the only doubt I have would be the dimensions of the power-plant/engine.

Lockheed Martin has already taken a hit on reducing the price of the F-35 for further orders.

I also get the feeling a number of Customers of the F-35 are now realizing that they may of made a mistake by placing those orders, as requirement of such an Aircraft isn't really needed in those parts.

(If) Lockheed Martin was to pull off such a feat which I do not believe it to be impossible, that very well might be the final nail in the coffin for the further production of the F-16 Block Saga. However, if anything we've seen in the past year alone is the resurrection of the F-16 with orders coming from pretty much every Continent for the Legend, itself.

Q. What kind of price tag do you think LM would market for a stripped down F-35?