PAF F-16s Do Incorporate DRFM Technology !

[StormBreaker]

True but for Chinese and Non American platforms its enough. Anything from US will come through CSF


Pak diplomacy is working very good so far it's our money if we paly cards right so far we are then very likely this turkey will come home

I dont think this left out budget will be utilized for anything further, rather for block 3, azm, naval ongoing programs and maybe something for army.

Not possible to find room for any other major procurement

Still we gonna spend 14 billion on arms procurement in 4 yrs and I hope CSF issue will resolve will give another 6 to 8 billion $$$ at the top means about 5 billions procurement every yr next 4 yrs not bad.That's pure Pak money.

And not until we have any credibility of this report from Pakistan itself ( which we never will ), it’s purely stupid of us to over exaggerate the figures and work on it

 

[araz]

Pak diplomacy is working very good so far it's our money if we paly cards right so far we are then very likely this turkey will come home

Let us see how this cookie crumbles. The US has a long time policy of sitting on money it does not own and acting the bully. I dont think it is going to give up now. Secondly it seems prudent to keep Paklands down and out and therefore dependent on aid from the world so it can be dictated to and plays out as the pawn it has been assigned the role of. Why do you think would they change things by handing out a significant amount of money even if to buy US products?
Please understand I am not arguing with you but simply presenting what my thoughts are based on my understandoing. If the money comes it will certainly be welcomed with open arms but we should not plan in anticipation of this money being made available.
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The yanks know their history and know the Pakistanis do not forget the past. Their is no way Pakistan would be vital eggs in US basket which would compromise our national security. History also shows during conflict Chinese without conditions supplied weaponry, what type of all was US when things going going (war) they clip our wings. Never Again.

My friend.
You need to restudy history and see how China or any other nation behaves when it involves a war between 2 other nations. I dont think your assertions re the Chinese are true although there is some evidence that our own did the dirty on us in '71. All Chinese aid flowed in post '66. Similarly we did not oblige the Chinese in '62 when they advcated a joint attack to liberate Kashmir. Ayub on the other hand was too busy sleeping to do anything. Perhaps it was the most poignant moment to recapture Kashmir and rid this region of the most dangerous trigger for a war in the region.
Read the US history and what they have done to sovereign bullion of Germany as well as other nations, the funds of Kuwait,Saudis,and Iran to name a few. You will understand why I am not hopeful of the money coming our way.

 

[Maarkhoor]

My friend.
You need to restudy history and see how China or any other nation behaves when it involves a war between 2 other nations. I dont think your assertions re the Chinese are true although there is some evidence that our own did the dirty on us in '71. All Chinese aid flowed in post '66. Similarly we did not oblige the Chinese in '62 when they advcated a joint attack to liberate Kashmir. Ayub on the other hand was too busy sleeping to do anything. Perhaps it was the most poignant moment to recapture Kashmir and rid this region of the most dangerous trigger for a war in the region.
Read the US history and what they have done to sovereign bullion of Germany as well as other nations, the funds of Kuwait,Saudis,and Iran to name a few. You will understand why I am not hopeful of the money coming our way.

Sir with due respect but I need to correct some historical fact...Yes China coined the option for Pakistan to join hands but two super power Russia and U.S warned us especially Russia that if we do any adventure than it would be Russia versus Pakistan....Do you think we were in that position at that time we ignore two superpowers?

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Sir with due respect but I need to correct some historical fact...Yes China coined the option for Pakistan to join hands but two super power Russia and U.S warned us especially Russia that if we do any adventure than it would be Russia versus Pakistan....Do you think we were in that position at that time we ignore two superpowers?

In 1962? Are u sure?

 

[Maarkhoor]

In 1962? Are u sure?

Yes...

 

[untitled]

U.S warned us especially Russia

Wasn't Pakistan a part of SEATO/CENTO then? To call in the Americans and British in case the Reds attacked? If what you are saying is true then Pakistan definitely played her cards poorly

 

[Maarkhoor]

Wasn't Pakistan a part of SEATO/CENTO then? To call in the Americans and British in case the Reds attacked? If what you are saying is true then Pakistan definitely played her cards poorly

Do you read my post?....read again

American also told us not to join China against India.

 

[untitled]

American also told us not to join China against India.

The Chinese had no plans invade India. Pakistan had already incurred the wrath of the Russians due to the U2 incident 2 years earlier. Like I said if what you are saying is true we played our cards poorly

 

[Falcon26]

Sir with due respect but I need to correct some historical fact...Yes China coined the option for Pakistan to join hands but two super power Russia and U.S warned us especially Russia that if we do any adventure than it would be Russia versus Pakistan....Do you think we were in that position at that time we ignore two superpowers?

Fake news

 

[Signalian]

Some info on PAF F-16s EW suite

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/creating-an-ea-16-b-d.616246/

was it released to all PAF F-16s or just the 18 BLk 52++

DRFM using AIDEW pod ALQ-211 on 18 Block 52+ only.

The EW pods on MLU are ALQ-131 without DRFM.

Did the US offer the Super Hornet? IIRC it would've been a more ideal platform, right blend of range, payload, technology, economies of scale, operating cost, etc than the F-15.

F-15E is faster, has more range, can carry heavier payload than F-18 SH however F-15E cannot carry AGM-65 which F-16 and F-18 C/E can.

 

[aliyusuf]

Some info on PAF F-16s EW suite

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/creating-an-ea-16-b-d.616246/


DRFM using AIDEW pod ALQ-211 on 18 Block 52+ only.

The EW pods on MLU are ALQ-131 without DRFM.


F-15E is faster, has more range, can carry heavier payload than F-18 SH however F-15E cannot carry AGM-65 which F-16 and F-18 C/E can.

As far as I know, Almost all versions of the Maverick are compatible with the A-10, F-16 and F-15E.
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Only the newer version of the new Raytheon - LASER-GUIDED MAVERICK MISSILE (AGM-65E2/L) is not compatible with the F-15 ... but is compatible with F-16, A-10, F-18 and AV-8B.

 

[Signalian]

As far as I know, Almost all versions of the Maverick are compatible with the A-10, F-16 and F-15E.
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FAS.Org
Only the newer version of the new Raytheon - LASER-GUIDED MAVERICK MISSILE (AGM-65E2/L) is not compatible with the F-15 ... but is compatible with F-16, A-10, F-18 and AV-8B.

F-16 carries AGM-65, no worries for PAF.

 

[Gryphon]

DRFM using AIDEW pod ALQ-211 on 18 Block 52+ only.

The EW pods on MLU are ALQ-131 without DRFM.

DA-20s stationed to support No. 9 sqn Griffins (at Mushaf AFB) and not No. 5 sqn Falcons / No. 11 sqn Arrows (at Shahbaz AFB) is somewhat self-explanatory - the AN/ALQ-211(V)9 pod with Block 52+ is an excellent ECM capability on its own.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

DA-20s stationed to support No. 9 sqn Griffins (at Mushaf AFB) and not No. 5 sqn Falcons / No. 11 sqn Arrows (at Shahbaz AFB) is somewhat self-explanatory - the AN/ALQ-211(V)9 pod with Block 52+ is an excellent ECM capability on its own.

Aren't DA 20s going to retire soon?

 

[araz]

Sir with due respect but I need to correct some historical fact...Yes China coined the option for Pakistan to join hands but two super power Russia and U.S warned us especially Russia that if we do any adventure than it would be Russia versus Pakistan....Do you think we were in that position at that time we ignore two superpowers?

If you are talking about 62, read Qudratullah Shahab. He stated that Ayub had no desire to move himself rather he relied on the US solving KAshmir for us. Listening to someone on the same topic, there was a lot of mistrust between China and Pakistan in the early 60 as well. Russia may have bullied us but I think if Russia had steped in we had a good chance US would have steppedin as well.My own assessment is theat the Super powers use smaller countries as pawns to put in front of them and wage their wars. Whereever there has been warapart from Syria where Russia actually moved in Russia has had a history of backing out at the last moment.We eventually faced them in Afghanistan and so facing them earlier would have been the same.