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PA TANKS comparison with contempory tanks

Nor facts it seems.
Pic that I posted is fact.
Estimates by forum boys are not fact.

Here another fact:

leopard2hel10.jpg
 
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Leapord 2 is the ultimate tank right now...anyone wanna dispute it...then I am up for it...
 
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Pic that I posted is fact.
Estimates by forum boys are not fact.

Here another fact:

leopard2hel10.jpg

No, It isn't. It tells nothing it could very well be a mock up at some defense exhibition. Please no need to fool yourself.
 
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why not post a picture of a tank in real battle that has been shot or simple bullets were through???
this is just a mock-up or a piece of the tank disassembled without real combat exprience...
wtf?
 
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These are estimates from a armor website. Which i said in the post none of these are actual values.

Could you share the link?

because from what I have read, Arjun was able to withstand a direct hit from T-72,Now T-72 gun is very similiar to Al-Khalid, so if you can give a source which says other wise let me know
 
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Arjun
K-E
Turret: 500-570
Glacis: 410
C-E
Turret: 650-830
Glacis:730
Al Khalid
K-E
Turret: 645
Glacis: 435-455
C-E
Turret: 1060 (1160 w/ERA)
Glacis: 540 (670w/ERA)

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AK ARMOUR IS BETTER THAN ARJUN ESTIMATES SAY!
 
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The following is a comparison between the T-90S/ Bhishma MBT and the Pakistani Al Khalid. The T-90M, which the Indian Army will be receiving by the year's end is an improved version of the T-90 series with welded turret, V-92S2 engine and ESSA thermal viewer as opposed to the T-90S, which was a simplified export version with cast turret, R-173 radio, 1V528 computer and V-84-1 engine.

Crew

AL-Khalid = 3
T-90S = 3

Combat Weight

Al-Khalid = 48,000 kg
T-90S = 46,500 kg

Engine

Al-Khalid = 1200 horsepower
T-90S = 840 horsepower

Maximum Speed

Al-Khalid = 72 km/hr
T-90S = 65 km/hr

Maximum Range

Al-Khalid = 450 kms
T-90S = 500

Vertical Obstacle

Al-Khalid = 0.85 m
T-90S = 0.85

Fording

Al-Khalid = without preparation 1.4 metres
T-90S = without preparation 1.2 metres

Trench

Al-Khalid = 2.7 m
T-90S = 2.8 m


Armament

Al-Khalid

(main): 1 x 125 mm gun 125mm Smooth Bore, Chrome Plated, Auto fret aged
Circular Carousel Type: (Cassette Type) 22 Rounds / Minute 6-8

FCS/GCS : Type: Image Stabilized (3rd generation director type stabilization), Optics: LASER protected (coaxial): 1 x 7.62 mm MG
(anti-aircraft): 1 x 12.7 mm MG
Smoke grenade dischargers: 2 x 6, can also lay smoke screen by injecting diesel into the exhaust outlets at the rear

GUNNER SIGHT : Type Integrated, Bi-axis Stabilized Day/Night, Tl, LRF
Magnification Dual, 3x & 1 Ox
Field of View 20° & 6°

COMMANDER SIGHT:
Type Panoramic,
Bi-Axis stabilized,

LRF, 2nd Generation IIT
Hunter-Killer Capability
Magnification 7.5x
Field of View 7 . 5
LRF : Type ND YAG
Range200 ~ 5000m
AUTO TRACKER: Tracking Error < 0.1 mils Interfaced with Gunner Day Sight & Tl


T-90S

1 x 125mm 2A46M smoothbore gun with 43 rounds.
...............1 x 12.7mm NSVT anti-aircraft gun with 300 rounds. [1]
...............1 x 7.62mm PKT co-axial machine gun with 2000 rounds.
...............1 x 5.45mm AKS-74 rifle, carried on storage rack, with 300 rounds.[2]

[1] The 12.7mm NSVT, mounted on the commander's contra-rotating copula which can be aimed and fired under complete armour protection, uses the PZU-7 machine gun sight and the 1ETs29 (with vertical stabilization) machine gun FCS (Fire Control System).

[2] The locally-produced 5.56mm INSAS Assault Rifle will likely be used instead.


Smoke Grenade Launchers: Mounted either side of the turret is a bank of six electrically operated 81mm smoke grenade launchers which are in a new low-angle configuration compared to those fitted to earlier Russian MBTs. The quick forming aerosol screening system comprises the four laser radiation sensors (two coarse and two fine receiving heads), the Type 902A Aerosol Forming Grenade Launch System dispensing 81mm 3D17 aerosol grenades and associated controls. The aerosol screening system detects laser illumination, determines its direction and type (laser range-finder or designator), generates warning signals, both audio and visual, and lays in automatic or semi-automatic modes, quick forming aerosol screens within three seconds at a distance of 50 to 80 metres from the tank. In addition, the tank can also lay its own smoke screen by injecting diesel fuel into the exhaust outlet located on the left side of the hull.

The 2A46M smoothbore gun is stabilised (Zhasmin 2E42-4 system) in two axes and is fitted with a thermal sleeve. The gun tube can be replaced without a need for dismantling inside the turret. The gun can fire various ammunition including APFSDS-T (Armour Piercing Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabot - Tracer), HEAT (High Explosive Anti-Tank), HE-FRAG (High Explosive Fragmentation) as well as shrapnel projectiles with time fuzes. In addition it can also fire a special HE-FRAG projectile that can be detonated over the target using the tank's fire-control system. Maximum rate of fire is at 7 rounds per minute. The gun can also fire the 9M119 Refleks-M (NATO: AT-11 Sniper-B) anti-tank guided missile system. The range of the missile is 75 to 5000 metres and takes 14.2 seconds to reach maximum range. The system is intended to engage tanks fitted with ERA (Explosive Reactive Armour) as well as low-flying air targets such as helicopters, at a range of up to 5 km. Hit probability is over 80%. The missile system fires either the 9M119 (3UBK14 weapon system) or the 9M119M (3UBK20 weapon system) missiles which have semi-automatic laser beam riding guidance and a hollow charge warhead. Missile weight is 23.4 kg. The gun's automatic loader will feed both ordnance and missiles.

Self-Protection

The hull and turret are protected by both conventional armour-plating and the latest generation Kontakt-5 ERA which provides protection against APFSDS (Armour Piercing Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabot) and HEAT (High Explosive Anti-Tank) type projectiles. In addition to being fitted to the hull and turret, ERA panels are also fitted either side of the hull front to provide lateral protection to each side of the driver's compartment. The tank also has NBC (nuclear, biological and chemical) protection equipment. The TShU1-7 Shtora-1 countermeasures system is not fitted.

Fire Control & Observation

The T-90S has the 1A45T IFCS (Integrated Fire Control System) which is automatic, but has a manual override for the commander. The IFCS comprises the gunner's day/night fire-control system, gunner's IR sight or thermal imaging sight, and commander's day/night sight-observation system. The fire control system comprises day sight-rangefinder with missile guidance channel, armament stabilizer and ballistic computer. The system is used by the commander for gun and machine gun fire control.

Propulsion

The T-90S will be powered by a 1,000 hp V-92S2 four-stroke V-12 diesel engine. This new engine, fitted with a turbo-supercharger, offers impressive specific power and specific fuel consumption characteristics. The tank can carry up to 1600 litres of fuel in the main, armour plated fuel tanks and fuel drums. The tank is provided with a snorkel for deep fording (up to 5 metres of water) with equipment which can be deployed in 20 minutes. The mechanical transmission includes primary reduction gear, two planetary final gearboxes and two planetary final drives. The running gear features torsion bar suspension with hydraulic shock absorbers at 1, 2 and 6 road wheel stations and tracks with rubber-metallic pin hinges.

Miscellaneous Information

A new track has been developed and tested for the T-90S that not only has a longer life but also has replaceable rubber pads that can be quickly removed. Standard equipment includes NBC protection, fire detection & suppression system, nose-mounted dozer blade and a deep fording kit. The tank is fitted with an air conditioning system for operations in high ambient temperatures.



link :-withheld

1000 hp engine has been already installed in T 90S tanks in indian army.
 
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@ Moscow.

According to your data Given above i have observed that Al-Khalid has a Slight Edge over T-90, Am i Correct in my Analysis ?

al Khalid may have edge over T 90S. but indian army has ordered T 90M from Russia, which is 50% more effective than T90s. zravar has already proved T 90M is superior to al Khalid. :agree:
 
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explain how its 50% more effective.
sounds like you need to explain this magic calculation
 
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posted by xMustiiej70
explain how its 50% more effective.
sounds like you need to explain this magic calculation
posted by zraver

http://www.defence.pk/forums/440485-post50.html




Originally Posted by nightrider_saulat
so in present situation we have al-khalid and t-85 tanks in our
army to face-off against indian t-90bhishmas
am i correct khan sahab?
Pakistan -

Planned- AKII
1st rate- AK, T-80UD
2nd rate- AZ, T-85IIAP
3rd rate- Type 59 and 69 (reserve formations and infantry support)

India-

Planned- Arjun Mk 2
1st rate- T-90M
2nd rate- T-90S, Arjun
3rd rate- T-72
4th rate- Vijayanta, T-55 (reserve formations and infantry support)

The newest T-90 version ordered by India is a beast. it has a Swedish APS, Kacktus HERA, uses Kachan ceramic inserts, the improved auto-loader, Israeli climate controls, and an improved French/Russian FCS, improved 2A46m5 L56 125mm gun with MRS. Not sure when they will start rolling out in numbers. However they will outnumber the T-90S being second only to the T-72 in number of total systems of front line equipment (677 T-90M vs 310 T-90S or 124 Arjun)

The T-90M is bad news for Pakistan. It gives India a tank that is arguably one of the best in the world. If India gets the newer Russian rounds like the 3BM42M/3BM46 etc so that gun power matches the tanks other strengths.....

The T-90M threatens to throw the whole regional balance out of whack. It gives India the same type of technological edge on the ground that the IAF enjoys in the air. China doesn't really have a counter to offer, not even the latest Type 99. Pakistan needs to start looking at ways she can defend herself that do not require a head to head win to achieve victory. These include political allies, technologies where Pakistan can jump ahead and stay ahead etc. India leads in numbers, tanks, planes and long range rocket artillery.

Some areas include getting the AH-64D Longbow. The Longbow can fire from behind cover using buddy laze meaning the hellfires can wreak hell without exposing the helicopters to the Indian ADA which includes dedicated anti-helo platforms like the Tunguska. Other options include the Eurocopter Tiger ARH or UHT which has the same capability. or the WZ10 but with the MMW FCS on a mast mount for the HJ-10 heavy ATGM.

With attack helicopters, Pakistan would need a better air defense net to keep the Indian fighters and fighter bombers at bay. The FC2000 does this to a great extent, and the MBDA 2000 will help over the direct battlefield. The SAM's also help even the odds in the air over Pakistan. India is unlikely to risk its SU-30MKI in a low level tactical role, or risk them to close up high in range of the FC2000. This gives the PAF the chance to keep the IAF busy. The PAF won't win, its a numbers game, but they should be able to let the attack helicopters work
 
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